The elusive search for commercial kitchen space
Posted 02-03-2008 at 07:51 PM by scifimom
I unconsciously made the commitment to open this business when I created the web site. It showed up in Google and Yahoo just after it was posted by my designer. I was so excited to see it hit the top of the list when I googled 'commercial kitchen sacramento'. I started getting email and phone calls even though it said I wasn't open. This is just what I needed and I didn't even know it.
Should be easy, right? Find some restaurant that was for lease, make the improvements and then go. That was last October. I had wanted to be open for the Christmas season. It is now February. Right now I'll be thrilled to open for wedding season.
I started my search using the Internet, looking for commercial restaurant space for lease. There are lots and lots of businesses that want you to buy the Business including their clients and books. Fine, but I didn't want their Business. I wanted their building. I found a site called LoopNet that had properties listed. A merchant I worked with in Elk Grove gave me the name of a man who was a commercial property agent. I called him and gave him my requirements. I wanted about 1,000 sq. feet of a restaurant in the Del Paso area of Sacramento. It is right at the confluence of two freeways and would give easy access to Roseville, Elk Grove and Folsom which are the larger cities that have caterers.
The guy called back 2 weeks later with a building for me to look at. It was a little bigger than what I wanted (5,000 sq ft!) but was a former bakery and had equipment. The place was gigantic. The ceilings were so high I felt dwarfed. In addition, the place had 3 walk in refrigerators, one walk in freezer and about 30 regular refrigerators. The equipment was old and dirty. The plumbing lines between the sinks were held up with wire. The prior tennant had just walked out one day. There were bowls of flour on the counters and clothes in some of the rooms. Nope, wouldn't work for me.
I then talked to another agent who came highly recommended from other real estate people. Zack was much more responsive and I started down the road to learning about commercial real estate. First, there is no MLS for commercial real estate, at least here in Sacramento. Zack did a blanket email to all his contacts stating what I was looking for. He got a couple calls but mostly for buildings that were under construction. I learned the deadly and unfair world of NNN - triple net. It means the tenant pays for the landlord's insurance, building maintenance, taxes, garbage, sewer fees and whatever else they can squeeze out of you. The lease rate is just a teaser. You think you are getting a good deal - $1.25 sq. ft but tack on a NNN of $.40/sq ft. and you are paying a much higher rent. This is common. So, in my next life I want to be a landlord so I can own a building and pay nothing except the mortgage.
Since there is no MLS I was frequently reduced to driving up and down streets in my area to see if For Lease signs were in the window. Zack did it too. I would hear about places for lease and then the landlord wouldn't want my business there. They generally wanted someone who was going to open a restaurant. Some of them had such decrepit places that it scared me to think of opening a clean kitchen there.
Then a little sandwich shop came up for lease. It was in an OK area and I cruised it then called Zack. It was small but might work. The leasing agent came to show us the inside but the lock fell off in his hand when he inserted the key. Not good.. However, the agent had another place to show us. It turned out to be across the street from where I work so that was exciting. It was also brand new and just a shell so I could configure it like I wanted. A shell means the place has no walls, no ceiling, no nothing except the 4 exterior walls. The space was much larger than I wanted - 2500 sq ft. but it was built for a restaurant and the landlord was going to give me $50/sq. ft. for tenant improvements TI). TIs are funds the landlord gives you to customize your space. Sounded good to me and Zack. I had a builder come do a rough estimated of the build out and in the mean time got a meeting set up with the landlord of the space.
next installment..initial meetings and negotiations..
Should be easy, right? Find some restaurant that was for lease, make the improvements and then go. That was last October. I had wanted to be open for the Christmas season. It is now February. Right now I'll be thrilled to open for wedding season.
I started my search using the Internet, looking for commercial restaurant space for lease. There are lots and lots of businesses that want you to buy the Business including their clients and books. Fine, but I didn't want their Business. I wanted their building. I found a site called LoopNet that had properties listed. A merchant I worked with in Elk Grove gave me the name of a man who was a commercial property agent. I called him and gave him my requirements. I wanted about 1,000 sq. feet of a restaurant in the Del Paso area of Sacramento. It is right at the confluence of two freeways and would give easy access to Roseville, Elk Grove and Folsom which are the larger cities that have caterers.
The guy called back 2 weeks later with a building for me to look at. It was a little bigger than what I wanted (5,000 sq ft!) but was a former bakery and had equipment. The place was gigantic. The ceilings were so high I felt dwarfed. In addition, the place had 3 walk in refrigerators, one walk in freezer and about 30 regular refrigerators. The equipment was old and dirty. The plumbing lines between the sinks were held up with wire. The prior tennant had just walked out one day. There were bowls of flour on the counters and clothes in some of the rooms. Nope, wouldn't work for me.
I then talked to another agent who came highly recommended from other real estate people. Zack was much more responsive and I started down the road to learning about commercial real estate. First, there is no MLS for commercial real estate, at least here in Sacramento. Zack did a blanket email to all his contacts stating what I was looking for. He got a couple calls but mostly for buildings that were under construction. I learned the deadly and unfair world of NNN - triple net. It means the tenant pays for the landlord's insurance, building maintenance, taxes, garbage, sewer fees and whatever else they can squeeze out of you. The lease rate is just a teaser. You think you are getting a good deal - $1.25 sq. ft but tack on a NNN of $.40/sq ft. and you are paying a much higher rent. This is common. So, in my next life I want to be a landlord so I can own a building and pay nothing except the mortgage.
Since there is no MLS I was frequently reduced to driving up and down streets in my area to see if For Lease signs were in the window. Zack did it too. I would hear about places for lease and then the landlord wouldn't want my business there. They generally wanted someone who was going to open a restaurant. Some of them had such decrepit places that it scared me to think of opening a clean kitchen there.
Then a little sandwich shop came up for lease. It was in an OK area and I cruised it then called Zack. It was small but might work. The leasing agent came to show us the inside but the lock fell off in his hand when he inserted the key. Not good.. However, the agent had another place to show us. It turned out to be across the street from where I work so that was exciting. It was also brand new and just a shell so I could configure it like I wanted. A shell means the place has no walls, no ceiling, no nothing except the 4 exterior walls. The space was much larger than I wanted - 2500 sq ft. but it was built for a restaurant and the landlord was going to give me $50/sq. ft. for tenant improvements TI). TIs are funds the landlord gives you to customize your space. Sounded good to me and Zack. I had a builder come do a rough estimated of the build out and in the mean time got a meeting set up with the landlord of the space.
next installment..initial meetings and negotiations..
Total Comments 10
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| | That is really excellent that you are getting calls from your website so soon. Also congrats on the google search position don't lose that one. I am curious will someone have to be on hand to supervise the operation while the space is rented? Will different indiviuals be able to rent space at the same time or will there only be enough room to handle one client at a time? If you have multiple clients in the space at the same time how will you handle the segregation of the food in the fridges etc? I guess I am trying to understand who will be responsible for all of the perishibles if it is stolen etc. |
Posted 02-05-2008 at 06:42 AM by Nicko |
| | Hi Scifimom, Your company is only geared towards professionals? On your website it says: Valid sanitation certificate (ie ServSafe). Proof of liability insurance with Steel Magnolia Kitchen listed as an additional insured. Won't this be limiting in the sense that you will not be able to rent to at home chefs that may want to rent the space from you? Many mom's get together once a month to cook all their meals and this would be a great place to do it. However, since they won't have a sanitation license they can't rent it. |
Posted 02-05-2008 at 06:53 AM by Sautepan |
| | Nicko, I'll answer yours first and Sautepan, you are next. I intend to be on site whenever a new client uses the kitchen for the first time. I'll be able to show them how the setup works, where things are and just make sure they are comfortable. After that they can be there alone and I'll always be available by phone. Hopefully I'll be able to spend time there and help people by being a prep chef. It all depends on if I can quit my day job but I do plan to work my current job part time for a while. However, in reality the chef's don't need me there. Granted I'd like to be onsite to make sure none of my equipment goes out the door, but on the other hand, sitting around for 6+ hours while a caterer is making their food doesn't seem exciting :-D The setup is for two separate kitchens that share the sinks, the walkin frig and the Hobart. Each kitchen has it's own work space, range and convection oven. I wish I had a scanner so I could show you the design. Maybe I can take a picture with my digital and download it. Anyway, just imagine two galley kitchens with metro shelves down the middle to separate the two spaces. My clients need to take all their equipment and food when they leave unless they make prior arrangements. Any food left behind is mine. I'm gonna be eating really good! I expect that chefs are not going to steal each other's food when they are both on site at the same time. I suspect this will be a live and learn thing. Sautepan, You have hit on something that has been difficult to accomodate. I want those moms to be able to use the kitchen but at the same time, they need to be aware of sanitation issues. So, for the first part of this, I've designed a 1/2 hour class for those who aren't ServSafe certified. I'll teach the basics - cross contamination, sanitizing dishes, keeping the work table clean and so on. I have this in my contract but haven't updated the web site. The hard one is the insurance. The only way I can figure this out for non-caterers is to have them get an umbrella policy on their homeowner's insurance. If you have any other suggestions I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks for the questions you two. Writing about it and seeing people interested in it has helped a lot. Right now I'm in landlord negotiation **** so this helps relieve the stress. |
Posted 02-06-2008 at 10:10 PM by scifimom |
| | I don't know about the rest of you but I am ready for some photos. Lets see the space. ![]() Don't forget you can upload your photos to your personal photo gallery and then link to it. www.cheftalk.com/photopost/ |
Posted 02-12-2008 at 02:37 PM by Nicko |
| | Hi, couldnt your moms sign a waiver? |
Posted 02-18-2008 at 09:41 PM by teoluna@socal.r |
| | umm my Mom? I am almost 40 years old... ![]() |
Posted 02-20-2008 at 05:35 AM by Nicko |
| | Actually, I need to update my web site. It is really out of sync now that things are coming together. The contract states the clients is responsible for bring their work space up to sanitation levels. This way I don't get smacked if someone gets sick from their food. My attorney suggested that one. Then, just before the client uses the space, they have to sign an acknowledgement that they are responsible. |
Posted 02-21-2008 at 07:01 AM by scifimom |
| | Out of curiosity in a situation like this do you think it is prudent to seak advice of more than one attorney? Kind of like getting a second doctors opinion about your condition. I know that in terms of attorneys that can be cost prohibitive but I was just curious. |
Posted 02-23-2008 at 04:38 AM by Nicko |
| | You are right, attorneys are expensive. I paid 1440 just to get the contract done. I'm not quite sure what I'll do just yet.. |
Posted 02-23-2008 at 05:09 PM by scifimom |
| | I found this forum because I've done a search for commercial kitchens for rent in So. Calif. You're idea is right on, there are kitchens all over the country. I looked at your website and the kitchen looks beautiful, I hope things are going well for you at this stage. Perhaps you could give us all a general idea on what the costs are to undertake an adventure like this? Wish I lived in your area. |
Posted 04-23-2008 at 06:42 PM by Chef Debbi D |
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