All food service establishments in New York State must have at least one member of their management team certified as having completed and passed the Serve Safe course for food service health and sanitation within 6 months of the initial business license. These courses and certificates are issued by the Department of Environmental Health and are good for 3 years.
The "Serve Safe" course has a manual that clearly explains all food bourn pathogens, their risks to human health, the sources of contamination, and accepted methods to reduce or eliminate risk of contamination. Vinegar does not kill e-coli (it does retard its ability to reproduce however due to the acidic environment)-heat, irradiation, and chemical sanitizers do.
I got my certification last November and still refer to the course manual frequently as I did when writing my previous post. I've also been certified as a Serve-Safe instructor in NC and Florida. If you care to look, results of such studies (which you claim have never been done) can be found at the US Dept of Agriculture site as well as the Centers for Disease Control in addition to any state's Department of Environmental Health. I
Really, as much as you would like to believe that I'm some kind of raging lunatic, I've got my information from documented and reliable sources. In addition, I also read Mother Earth News quite frequently and there is always useful information there about safely composting all kinds of stuff that also checks out with Dept of Ag. and Health Dept findings.
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>>the word "manure" refers to poop of some kind or another
as already stated, that is an incorrect assumption. I suppose Congress could pass a law to prohibit animals from generating poop....that would at least protect the ignorant from dumping their fresh cow dung on their zukes.
>>grow cucumbers or tomatoes in a garden that has had fresh manure applied to it
well, not too many gardeners do that. there is of course the famous lettuce guy who irrigated his patch with liquid manure because water was too expensive. not the smartest cookie in the bag, I must say. so how shall one protect ones self from such stupidity?
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I was only referring to the fact that when the word "manure" is used, most people think "Poop" just as I had previously misunderstood what KY meant by using the term "green manure." I had just never run into the phrase used in that way before.
Also, I make my living at six different farmers markets per week and know many, many farmers. Some are responsible, informed people. Others are not and some of the latter group actually do spread horse and cattle manure directly on their fields and work it in. Just take a visit to Amish country in the springtime. The pig sties all look very clean and the ground very, very black for that very reason.
Unfortunately, many people believe that if they buy their food directly from the farmers at such markets that the food is better for them in quality and overall health. While for the most part, this can be true, it's not necessarily.
BTW, the farmer that gave his daughter raw milk was just the kind of Uber-organic back-to-the-land type that thinks all new research into food safety is bogus and that exposure to bacteria and dirt "builds strength and immunity" in children. He sold raw milk "under the table" to many people until he learned the cruel reality of such mistaken beliefs.
Of course, the grass fed source of the ground beef and pork sausage had no relevance to the e-coli danger posed by serving undercooked meat. I was merely describing the environment in which I witnessed this danger to kids.
I believe you were reading my post inaccurately Dillbert.
And KY, before you eviscerate me for misunderstanding one term you use, take a look at how it could be easily interpreted in a different way. You, sir, are NOT the be-all, end-all authority on all food safety issues and farming under the sun.
Neither am I. But we all have valuable experience to contribute here. Walk a while in another's shoes and you may get a little different perspective.
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