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08-11-2007, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer  Doesn't coffee come from Anatolia, or somewhere in the Caucasus Mountains? All those legends about the Armenean goatherd and the dancing rams. | Coffee originated in Ethiopia. The most commonly accepted account revolving around an Abyssinian goatherder around 850 AD. |
08-11-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cheflayne Coffee originated in Ethiopia. The most commonly accepted account revolving around an Abyssinian goatherder around 850 AD. | I think that story has been debunked ... it's just a fairy tale, but as good as any other.
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08-11-2007, 09:51 AM
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KY,
Thanks for the correction....I must have had coffee on the brain....beans,
beans, the magical fruit.....correctamundo.......the whole Jewish thing really
touched a nerve......fun post, though......What is Christian food like??????
Is it similar to Jewish food......or more like Muslim food??? Before anyone replies in anger....I'm just kidding......I tend to match food with people and places more than with religions.....In the true nature of this post...What foods were indigenous to Hawaii? |
08-13-2007, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer
However, she quotes Michael freeman's definiton of cuisine, to differentiate it from mere cooking. Cuisine is "a self-conscious tradition of cooking and eating...with a set of attitudes about food and its place in the life of man."
In other words, cuisine implies a "this is the way we do it" attitude, with some cultures more open to new ideas and foodstuffs than others.
Interesting that in your list you put Italy first. It kind of proves the point. |
I think I listed Italy first because you did  But Italy does spring to mind as one of the more defined cuisines, and the resilience of Italian cuisine as it has been taken around the world. And Italians i know are also of the "this is the way we do it" attitude in many other walks of life - and I love them for it. Even to the fact of a grapevine, an orange tree and a lemon tree in the back yard of every one of their households I would visit as a child - including the vegie patch taking over the backyard, full of tomatoes, capsicum, garlic, beans, eggplants etc etc.
What I would love to know - who first invented the noodle? (speaking of Italians...) Did Marco Polo take it to Asia, or bring it back? Its always intrigued me.
DC
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08-13-2007, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DC Sunshine What I would love to know - who first invented the noodle? (speaking of Italians...) Did Marco Polo take it to Asia, or bring it back? Its always intrigued me. |
Asked and answered: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Oldest noodles unearthed in China
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08-13-2007, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by shel | Great link. That's the only way the history of the "noodle" can be traced that far back, by that sort of evidence. I'll leave it to the scientists among us to argue the finer points. As long as there's been flour, there's prob been pasta/paste, fashioned in one form or another.
Has bread been around longer? It would appear to be more wide spread amongst various cultures/cuisines for a longer time than noodles (uneducated guess)
(Sorry for all the questions, KYH started a good thread here )
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08-13-2007, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DC Sunshine Has bread been around longer? It would appear to be more wide spread amongst various cultures/cuisines for a longer time than noodles (uneducated guess) |
"Fragments of unleavened bread made of grain have been unearthed in the ruins of the Swiss lake dwellers, builders of the earliest-known civilized communities of Europe, going back to about 4,000 BCE. Among the Egyptians, baking was known before the 20th century BCE, and it is thought they may have discovered fermentation accidentally. "
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08-13-2007, 09:47 AM
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"What foods were indigenous to Hawaii?"
Sandwiches? 
Seriously, breadfruit, for sure.
Maybe coconuts---except they originated in polynesia, if I recall correctly, so must have been brought there.
Tara root? Again, not sure if it was native, or imported from elsewhere.
Getting back to indigenous New World foods: avocados and sunchokes should be added to the list. |
08-13-2007, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer "What foods were indigenous to Hawaii?"
Maybe coconuts---except they originated in polynesia, if I recall correctly, so must have been brought there. | The origin of coconuts is still in dispute. the Sallier Papyrus states that a species of coconut palm existed in Egypt in the 14th century BC ! The coconut floats well, and the embryo of the seed can remain viable for many months, perhaps up to a year or so, so it's possibe - and possibly quite likely - that Polynesia was only a stop along the way for the venerable coconut.
Thor Hyerdahl (sp?) in his book, Kon-Tiki, may have had something to say about how the coconut travelled based on his own drifting across the Pacific on a raft, and the vegetation he found while making his journey from Peru. I don't remember clearly - would have to look it up.
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08-13-2007, 03:14 PM
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>Among the Egyptians, [COLOR=#006666! important][FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#006666! important][FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]baking[/font][/font][/color][/color] was known before the 20th century BCE, and it is thought they may have discovered fermentation accidentally. <
Probably quite a bit before the 20th century, Shel. The Old Kingdom dates to 2686 BCE, and breadmaking is depicted on the walls of the great pyramids---which would indicate that bread making had been around a long time before that.
In ancient Egyption, the word "bread" is the same as the word "life."
They were likely one of several independent "discoverers" of fermentation. But there's little doubt we can lay the development of leavened bread solidly in their court. |
08-13-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer ...was known before the 20th century BCE, and it is thought they may have discovered fermentation accidentally. <
Probably quite a bit before the 20th century, Shel. The Old Kingdom dates to 2686 BCE, and breadmaking is depicted on the walls of the great pyramids--- | That's what I said - "before the 20th century BCE" - 2000 years before Christ. I think we agree - just saying the same thing differently.
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