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Old 02-03-2001, 03:42 PM
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I need to reply. Kit. Con. sounded a lot like a day in my life in the mid-late 80's. Work hard. Play hard. Live hard. I totally bought into the "cook-as-pirate" thing. We'd line jam for 8-12 hours and party for 8-12 more. This lifestyle cost me a lot. It reached it's apex about two weeks before I was to go to the CIA. I basically had a meltdown. I was feeling VERY bad one day and just decided that I had had enough of this cooking bullsh*t and walked away. I went to work 3 days later in the factory that is my "main" employer to this day. The thing is... I never did lose the desire to cook. From then til now, I taught myself and I'm pretty good. It's just that I have to work twice as hard to do what I truly love. I work in a factory all day and THEN go cook professionally. By then, sometimes I'm too tired to care. I guess the point of this is to be careful. If you are young and think Bourdain's book sounds like fun, remember that that lifestyle has left many,many victims in it's wake. There is something about this profession and the people in it that is extremely volatile. It is not too hard to be destroyed by it all. By the way, I'm not on the pity pot. I feel lucky everyday to be alive and sober and living my life. Peace. Chris
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Old 02-03-2001, 03:47 PM
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Old 02-03-2001, 07:44 PM
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I don't know what to say. You all say it's true. I have to believe it but part of me can't. Tell me that this only happenned in the 70's or 80's, that such behaviour is uncommon these days.

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Old 02-04-2001, 07:53 AM
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Sisi, sorry but it still happens, and it is not just isolated instances. This industry seems to be a breeding ground for this kind of lifestyle. No, not everyone is a drug-crazed partier, but we, in this business, have more than our fair share of them. Many young cooks have the "work hard, play hard" mentality. Many also believe in the "live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse" slogan. I am not here to glorify this type of behavoir, nor can I condemn it, since that was my attitude at one time. And I feel that I turned out OK. I don't regret the way I lived my life in the past, but I am over that way of life.
As for working drunk or stoned, it didn't happen. Yes my old crew partied hard, but we worked even harder, and the last thing I wanted was to fall behind or screw up. We held each other to very high standards and if someone fell below those standards we would let that person know it in no uncertain terms. Because of this we devoloped into quite a team, but the stress and pressure we put on each other also had other consequences-namely drugs and booze as a way to ease that stress.
Now that I have rambled on quite a bit, I just have one more thing to say. This behavior is not isolated to the restaurant industry. I seem to find it in many young people who are very passionate about what they do, and who have a very strong desire to succeed. They have all this energy and stress that they don't know how to handle. They have yet to learn how to build balance in their lives, so that they can channel that energy into something else. Drugs and booze are a great release valve for all of that. Unfortunately, it does take a toll on your body, and eventually on your mental capacities. The key is finding balance in your life, finding other things in which you can focus all that pent up energy.
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Ok it happens but in what kind of restaurant? At Diners and low budget food joints? or in three stars and upscale restaurants?
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Old 02-04-2001, 10:41 PM
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Sisi,
I've worked in everything from dumps to very fine dining and the higher I've gone(I speak only for myself) the worse this sort of thing is. Mostly for the reasons Pete said. I've worked sideXside with some VERY frightening people, with very serious problems who could put out food that would make you weep tears of ecstacy. One guy I worked with years ago was a convicted murderer in Cuba(he did it, he said so) but was released by Castro and sent to America during the Ariel boatlift. Guy woulda sold his Grandmother for a nickel, but he was a Garde-Manger God. Shoot, I liked him. At the same place, the head chef was a recovering heroin junkie. Very creative. Great guy. Just had a funny little junk habit. The vast majority of people in this business are NOT Charlie Trotter or Alain Ducasse. They are hard working, hard playing, hard living, tattooed, pierced, freaks that live on the fringes of society. May God bless them all. Of course, I speak of no one here.
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I can only WISH I had a fraction of the stamina I had in the 80's! When I get through a crazy night I still say, "I need a drink!" (And I mean it every time I say it!) But I usually get half a beer down before I doze off! Ten years ago, I could work all night, party all night and STILL make it back to the restaurant on time for a lunch shift. I got lucky though. And it was a lot like Boudain's book. One day I was a total screw-up and the next thing I know, I'm married, working in a luxury resort and making plans for the future. I think I'll write a book! Ha!!!
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Anthony, If you are still reading this thread, just wanted to let you know, today I chopped off the tip of my left thumb.... and, like you say in your book, wrapped it up and kept right on going, a bit lopsided-- but managable!! Just wanted to say thanks for the inspiration!!! And will wear my scar proud....
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I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed Kitchen Confidential and the other two books by Mr. Bourdain. I'm looking forward to his next book. No, I don't want anything to do with the drug world--I am a teacher, after all. But I do enjoy a hearty read.
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OneSockChef: Sorry to hear of your thumb-lopping incident. Presumably, you removed the amputated bit from the food before serving it. (If you saw the shameful When Chefs Attack, starring a now hideously embarressed yours truly, you might understand why clarification is needed). All I can say about grevious hand injuries is the warm feeling of respect and immediate recognition I felt when shaking Palladin's hand for the first time. It felt like a plowman's rough paw, speaking of years of hard work and experience. Particularly pleased to hear you wrapped the damaged digit up and continued working. I recommend lamb casing in a pinch, by the way. Just got back to US after long travels and am off again next week but wanted to respond to the other poster who found fault with my French and with my editors: You are right on both counts. KC was sloppily sloppily edited--hopefully we caught most of the worst errors for the paperback edition. As far as my French? As my beloved Tante Jeanne always said, "Tu parle Francais comme une vache Espagnole!" I am the shame of the family in that my father was French, my mother, though American, became an editor translator for Agence France Press..and even my little brother speaks it fluently. I was just in Arcachon, reliving my childhood and can only tell you that my French language skills improve with alcohol intake--but not much. Pardon. By the way, your English could use some work--but thats okay. Nobody in my town (New York) really speaks what you'd call English anyway.And yes yes yes..Not ALL chefs are alcoholic, drug abusing madmen and sociopaths--anymore. The business has indeed changed a little from the bad old days of the 70s and 80s..but not THAT much. It's probably saner now than at any time in recent history-but the outlaw spirit lives on. Just ask any cook. Mea culpa as always. Anthony Bourdain
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Anthony....

Any updates on the Kitchen Confidential movie? When do you expect it to be released, etc.

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Old 02-16-2001, 10:06 AM
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Why is it when you point out an error in someone else work, they always turn back and accuse you of a worse crime? When you decide to make your work public, it is understood that it may be analysed and criticised. It’s goes with the job as they say. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

My English is not perfect, that’s because I am French, English is a second language that I learned on my own. I know my grammar is far from perfect but I am learning. The difference between you and me is that I would never dream of publishing a book, on any subject, in English. If I ever did, you can be sure I would go out of my way to find someone who is not only completely fluent but also possess an impeccable grammar.

You say the editing job was sloppy? Why did you accept to put your name on a book you were not satisfy with? Have you no pride in your work? Or is it because you have nothing but contempt for your readers? Furthermore, if sloppy editing is your excuse for the poor quality of your book, what is the reason for the many errors found on the menu display on Les Halles website?

In the end, I returned your book to the store and got my money back. If you are too sloppy to make sure your book is perfect, you may keep it. I’ll spend my money on authors who take pride in their work.
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Anthony,

I haven't read your book yet but there is a grease stained copy making the rounds in our kitchen where I just started my culinary career a couple of weeks ago. Every now and then someone picks it up (sadly it's never me; being the newbie I have to look busy all the time!) and reads out loud some funny passages. Each time we laugh so hard I think some of us pee'ed in our pants!

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the end a good story is a good story. I don't get to see the errors and bad editing. This is entertainment after all, not the Oxford Dictionary.

Can't wait to sit down and read the whole thing!

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Mr. Bourdain, if you're still following this thread, tell me please--do you have another book coming out any time soon? I really enjoy your books. I hated it when you killed off the young chef in Gone Bamboo though. I was hoping to follow him around again.Good stuff! Really fun to read. I'd be up for a follow up to KC too!
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Read this wonderful excerpt from Slate Magazine. It's old (July 2000) but funny.

"Bourdain brags about his fries in his new book. Jeffrey Steingarten gives them a taste test.


Tuesday, July 25, 2000, at 9:50 a.m. PT


This week, a discussion of Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain.

Amanda Hesser is the dining reporter for the New York Times and author of The Cook and the Gardner.

Jeffrey Steingarten is Vogue magazine's food critic and the author of The Man Who Ate Everything.

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Subject: A Cooked Book?

From: Amanda Hesser

To: Jeffrey Steingarten

Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2000, at 9:50 a.m. PT


Dear Jeffrey,

So uncharacteristically unsympathetic of you.

But I do agree. It is remarkable that he was so beaten down with depression and drug abuse that he was unable to take his Christmas tree out to the garbage until August, unable to hold down a cooking job (not long ago, blue-collar work), and yet has managed to crank out two crime novels and a memoir. I wish I could be so prolific.

What was difficult to keep in mind was that it is a memoir, not an inside look at the world of professional cooking. Overall, it is an interesting account of his life (he and Anne Lamott would get along), but he failed at every crucial point to ground the book and give it perspective. So it ends up a tell-all of sorts but one that is painfully skewed to a certain kind of restaurant. Restaurants run by people trying to make a quick buck, former (and present) criminals, lost souls.

I haven't been to most of the restaurants where he's worked (most of them died before I moved to New York). But I do remember my first meal at Les Halles. It was crowded, dark. The kind of place where you really don't want to see the floor because it might scare you. The waiters moved through the place like linebackers, and they moved so rapidly, constantly plowing through the room, that I felt like I had to get out of there quickly or they might shove me out the door.

I recall seeing flames rise up to the hoods in a window that led to the kitchen. The window was fogged up and greasy, and I remember thinking, "What a nasty place to work." Now I know why. It's really about Mr. Bourdain, as you wrote, not the restaurant itself. Not the business.

Les Halles, unfortunately, seems to have been the highlight of Mr. Bourdain's career.

He spends most of the first half of the book describing what it takes to be a good chef (never revealing that in his 20-year career, he has never been one himself; but that messy history comes later--and, unfortunately, in plenty). A good line cook, he writes, "never shows up late, never calls in sick, and works through pain and injury." And he particularly likes female ones. "To have a tough-as-nails, foul-mouthed, trash-talking female line cook on your team can be a true joy,'' he adds. I wonder if there is a special class for those added skills in cooking school? If so, I must have missed it.

No matter how trash-mouthed you need to be (in Spanish, Bengali, and French, too), line cooks, he writes, need to "work clean," meaning you wipe down your station as you work. And burns, cuts, and terrible oozing wounds are not only part of the job, but part of what makes you a real cook. Near the end of the book, Mr. Bourdain spends several pages describing his hands. They are scarred, worn, grotesque. "I got, finally, the hands I always wanted," he writes.

I once worked at a one-star restaurant in southeast France. There were no rats running over our feet as in Mr. Bourdain's world. But the line was hot, so hot that it broke blood vessels on my eyelids. I do not recall thinking this was cool. Nor did I think it was cool when, in a rush, I accidentally grabbed hold of a hot iron pot handle. I didn't continue working because I was tough, but because I was too embarrassed to let the chef know I had been absent-minded. That was my experience in every restaurant I worked. You were not supposed to get burns. A former chef at a top New York restaurant once told me that if he looked at a cook's hands and they were covered with burns, he wouldn't hire him. It was a sign that he was a sloppy cook.

What is remarkable in a 307-page book about restaurant life, about a man who refers to himself as a "sensualist," is how few lines--not even pages--are devoted to taste, his palate, and the pleasure of making good food for someone. But perhaps he doesn't care. After all the cigarettes (a 14-hour flight without one almost kills the man) and decades of snorting everything in sight, he may not even be able to smell. Personally, though, I'd rather a chef who can taste the food he's cooking for me than one who can be clever with obscenities while slinging together 150 meals in a single service.

"I've long believed that good food, good eating is all about risk," he writes repeatedly in the book. Then he recalls a trip to Tokyo, where he finds himself in Starbucks, terrified of taking the risk of walking into a noodle shop for breakfast.

Mr. Bourdain's world is a small one, and he prefers it that way. All the drugs and alcohol helped him hide from risks and responsibility. He stayed in kitchens where he knew he was the smart guy, where he knew he could manipulate the staff and rule his "pirate ship," as he calls restaurant kitchens. But his ships have sailed nowhere. Mostly, they just sank.

Near the very end of the book, as you noted, he finally admits that not all kitchens are the same filthy, criminal dens that he has inhabited. To give proof, he walks all of eight blocks to the three-star restaurant Veritas and spends an evening observing the kitchen and the dining room (which is filled with happy diners as opposed to what are apparently victims in the restaurants where he has cooked).

After trying to shock the reader for so many pages, what happens? He is the one who's shocked. Can it be? Can a restaurant be a calm, orderly place where food is actually revered and appreciated, and cooks are interested in what they are doing not what they will score later? Can food be eaten rather than shoveled or wolfed, as he likes to describe it?

Yes, Mr. Bourdain. That is why so many people go out to dinner. That is why people in New York think nothing of dropping $50 for a weeknight dinner. For that, they do not expect art. They expect craft. And even that can be pleasurable.

I think, perhaps, Mr. Bourdain's most interesting observation was that fish people are not funny and butchers are. That seemed to welcome more exploring. But that will, I suppose, be left up to us.

Best,
Amanda"

After reading a few pages at my favorite bookstore, I declined the purchase!

Should I reconsider?



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