Go to ChefTalk.com  
Cooking ArticlesCookbook ReviewsCooking ForumsRecipesCooking Glossary  

Go Back   ChefTalk Cooking Forums > Food and Cooking Forums > Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion

Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion Got a cooking question or something you want to discuss about food and cooking? This is the forum for you. Talk about anything related to food & cooking.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 08-27-2005, 10:49 AM
joette's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: US
Posts: 13
Default How do you get a Juicy grilled hamburger??

Everythime I grill burgers (I use ground chuck) they turn out kind of packy..for lack of a better discription. I've tried adding egg and not adding egg. what I am I doing wrong??
__________________
une saison une raison ou un temps de vie
Reply With Quote


  #2  
Old 08-27-2005, 10:58 AM
MarkV's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 577
Default

Lose the egg and add either olive oil and/or beef stock to the ground beef, and don't cook beyond medium.

http://www.ahherald.com/food/2003/ft_030918_burgers.htm

Mark
__________________
Salad is the kind of food that real food eats.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-27-2005, 11:12 AM
Suzanne's Avatar
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Professional Chef
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 3,703
Default

If they seem "packy" then you probably are, in fact, packing them too tightly. Be gentle when you shape them -- just enough to get them to hold together.

Adding egg does nothing except give you egg in what is now more an individual meatloaf. If you're using good meat, you shouldn't have to add ANYTHING. Besides, mixing stuff in means you run the risk of handling the meat too much and compacting it when you shape it. (I'm a burger purist: I want mine to be just meat, with salt and pepper on the outside, nothing else IN the meat.) I'm not even fond of the idea of sticking an icecube in the middle -- again, you have to squash it together too much then, and all you get for it is a watery middle or worse yet, unmelted ice in the middle.

Also, when you cook a burger, follow what I like to call the "Beatles method" of cooking: let it be. Don't keep squashing it down, don't keep moving it around. Just put it on the grill, give it a 90-degree turn halfway cooking the first side, flip it over GENTLY, and just let it finish cooking without squashing it.

Some people recommend making a dimple-like impression in the middle of each flat side, to facilitate the inside cooking, if you make really thick burgers. I don't think that should be necessary, but then I don't like trying to eat burgers wider than I can open my mouth.

Finally: chuck is good. High fat content in the meat is good. Rare is good (just be sure of the cleanliness of where the meat came from; if possible, grind your own). A burger from meat that is too lean and overcooked will never be a juicy burger.
__________________
Co-Moderator, Cooking Questions
"Notorious stickler" -- The New York Times, January 4, 2004
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-27-2005, 11:29 AM
Kerryclan's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 192
Default

You can also add chopped onion, or other veggies to the meat to impart moisture and by all means - do not over handle them. Leave the meat a little loose, just enough handling to shape them. I cook them to about medium and then let them rest before serving.
__________________
"Our lives are not in the lap of the gods, but in the lap of our cooks." -Lin Yutang
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-27-2005, 12:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 16
Default Squishing the burger

Funny, I just saw an episode from this restaurant makeover show the other day and the cook in the kitchen was continuously squishing the burger to the grill. The chef that was coming in to change things in the kitchen was in shock when he saw him squishing the heck out of the burgers.

I guess there is this script running in our heads "must release fat, must release fat" when in essence we are releasing the flavour and any moisture. I know I've done it hunderds of times over the years.
__________________
Catherine
www.thegourmetlife.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-27-2005, 01:59 PM
phatch's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: SLC UT
Posts: 2,660
Default

Use enough fat. You want about 20% fat for a good burger. Less fat makes a dry burger. Other good suggestions made by others here.

Phil
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-27-2005, 03:46 PM
beefcheeks's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 57
Default

Higher fat content. Higher heat (not flame). Definitely no squishing (even for well done). I've heard that some even bury ice cubes in the middle of the patty. Don't know how well that works as I haven't tried it yet myself. I kinda understand the theory though.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-27-2005, 03:46 PM
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Culinary Instructor
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Morristown, NJ
Posts: 334
Default

I will echo the 20% minimum fat recommendation. Fat = flavor = moisture.

Mark's recommendation to add beef stock is a good one, although I've found that any liquid works well. If you want to guarantee juicy burgers at any level of doneness, add about 1/4 C. of water to 1 lb. ground beef. The liquid gets in the way of the protein fibers trying to bond and creates a looser framework. A looser framework translates into tenderness AND, more important, a looser framework can hold more moisture. The tighter the framework, the more moisture the meat squeezes out/loses. The extra liquid makes the burger a little harder to form, but the end result is phenomenal.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-27-2005, 04:36 PM
joette's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: US
Posts: 13
Default

Thanks all!!! I will try all of these!!
__________________
une saison une raison ou un temps de vie
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-27-2005, 05:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: El Dorado, Ks
Posts: 20
Default

i like beard's idea for burgers. he talks about pan frying in butter . he also talks about forming the patty around a small ice cube like beefcheeks mentioned. it works.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-28-2005, 06:15 AM
Pete's Avatar
Cafe Moderator
Culinary Experience: Professional Chef
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Fond du Lac, WI
Posts: 2,846
Default

Like Suzanne I am very much a purist when it comes to burgers. I don't like to add anything to my meat other than salt or pepper (I do like doing stuffed burgers such as blue cheese stuffed), so no adding stock, water, eggs, etc. If you do your burgers right then there is no need for that stuff. First off, I really prefer to use a 25%-75% ground beef. I find that to be the ideal fat to meat ratio. Pack your burgers loosely. I form a very loose ball then gently flatten it, just briefly touching up the edges so they don't fall apart. There is no need to pack it into a dense ball of meat, it will hold together. I tend to like my burgers thick so I do dimple the center, it helps it to cook evenly, and helps the burger to stay flat as it shrinks. If you skip this step and make thick burgers you can end up with with burger balls as opposed to disks. Also make sure your meat is medium-high not high. High works great for thin burgers but is too hot for thick burgers. You end up with an overdone outside and a raw middle. And, as stated before, DON'T PRESS YOUR BURGERS. All this does is squeeze juices out of them and doesn't help them cook any faster.
__________________
From Man's sweat and God's love, beer came into the World-Saint Arnoldus
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-29-2005, 05:04 AM
Registered User
Culinary Experience: At home cook
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 729
Default

Here's what I do:

1. 20-25% fat content home-ground chuck is the way to go. As you shape the raw burger, you should have a hand feel that lets you know it is going to hold together without much pressure.

2. I try to make the burger even thickness as possible, possibly slightly thinner in the middle.

3. I grill the first side on high, until the narrow sides of the burger patty are about 1/4-1/3 turning gray.

4. Then I flip the burger once. Salt and pepper the grilled side. Turn down the heat or put the burger over a lower heated part of the grill.

5. I make my own homemade burger buns. I butter them and then grill them along side the burger. When the bottom bun is grilled I put it over the top of the exposed grilled side of the burger.

When all is done, I flip the burger over onto the plate, and add any toppings that I want, and place the grilled top part of the bun over that.

6. Occasionally, I had a TBSP of homemade Worcestershire sauce to the meat as I form the patties, just for variety!

doc
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-29-2005, 11:27 AM
jenni belle's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorful Southern Colorado
Posts: 131
Default

Ditto on everything said....and for goodness sake, flip that juicy burger once and don't press down on it!!!!! (For a little extra fun flip, I like to add paper thin slices of potato to my burgers. Mix a little ketchup, a little mustard, little garlic and some potato....it's quite tasty!)

Is anyone else bothered by that Lea & Perrins commercial with the dude smashing down on that poor burger and all the precious juices come dripping out!!?!?!?! Of all people they should know better!!!!!
__________________
Is there such a thing as Queen
of the Grill? Why do men only
get a royal title over the
barbeque? I should be queen.
Girls like to play with fire too.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-29-2005, 01:44 PM
ricib's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: St. Louis. For the young ones, that the Lou.
Posts: 78
Default

I just add some spices and worst sauce, and pack lightly as Suzanne described. You're packing too tight from what you say.

I also don't flip my burgers except once to cook the other side, and then for a few seconds to warm up the already cooked side. NO SQUISHING!
__________________
Life without broccoli isn't really life, is it?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-30-2005, 02:20 PM
skilletlicker's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 130
Default Grinding your own?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzanne
Finally: chuck is good. High fat content in the meat is good. Rare is good (just be sure of the cleanliness of where the meat came from; if possible, grind your own). A burger from meat that is too lean and overcooked will never be a juicy burger.
I ground 3 lbs. of chuck over the weekend with a KitchenAid food grinder. Turned out great but I have two questions.

1. Should the large hunks of white stuff be cut out before grinding or is this what is needed to bring the fat content to 20 percent?

2. The instruction pamphlet says, "For better mix and more tender results, grind beef twice". Later it says, "Fatty meats should be ground only once." Is chuck a fatty meat in this context? Can anyone elaborate on the underlying point here?

Thanks again to everyone!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Grilled Spicy Shrimp mstevens Recipes 3 06-25-2002 08:53 PM
Seeking Lum's hamburger spice mix FunnyTummy Recipes 2 06-01-2002 08:19 PM
soft juicy chicken 9hundred Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion 8 03-18-2002 10:03 PM
grilled pizza Whisker Recipes 1 10-31-1999 05:51 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
© 1998 - 2006 ChefTalk.com • All rights reserved

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119