Cooking-an Art form or Artisan-ship

[foodnfoto]

I am interested in discussing with my firends here whether cooking is and art form or a form of artisan-ship (a craft.)
My personal feeling is that it's a type of craft and not really a true art. My reasoning? as follows....
1) Art is created to elicit an emotional and/or intellectual response from an audience--food may elicit a response of memory or good or bad reactions based on the sensory appeal, but deep emotional feeling or intellectual thought or discussion is not generally brought on by eating a meal.
2) Art has lasting social, historical and cultural impact (either positive or negative) on large groups of people. If only a few people can partake of haute cuisine and it is consumed, how can it have that kind of impact? After all, no matter how good the dish, it's fodder for the plumbing tomorrow.
3) Art is something completely original and different each time it is created or performed and cannot be duplicated (eventhough there are some pretty good foreries out there.) Chefs base their recipes on tried and proven formulas although they are varied (ie theme and variation). Also, successful chefs strive for consistency of production and presentation of each dish. Repeat customers depend on it (so do sales).
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to dismiss food vocations as being invalid, just trying to inject a little perspective. I love great food, I also love beautiful weaving, pottery and glass. But can any dish prepared by Jean-Georges, Emeril, or Escoffier, for that matter, stand up to Donatello's or Michelangelo's "David", Van Gogh's "Starry Night", Rodin's "the Thinker" Shakespeare's "Hamlet" or any one of a zillion other compositions?

I may be setting off a firestorm, here, but at least we'll have a lively discussion.
Weigh in folks!

[foodnfoto]

Sorry about the spelling folks, what ever happened to the spell-check feature? And how did this show up as two postings? Go figure....

[shroomgirl]

You are right about the firestorm, we had this very discussion several monthes ago and it was heated.....
Food as art, sure, I feel it can be.

Creating a classic dish, like Peach Melba, or Caesar Salad, plus many others has got to be an art form because it can be enjoyed by many. I know great food has an emotional impact on me.

[foodnfoto]

Sorry, I've got to disagree.. A ride on a ferris wheel can be enjoyed by many, but it doesn't make it art. Also, will the "emotional impact" you feel from eating a good dish last 10 years from now? 100? 500?
I contend cuisine is an artisanal craft, not art---no matter how vertical it becomes, or how many sauce paintings attend it.

[shroomgirl]

Ah foodnfoto~ I can remember vividly meals I had as a child, meals in exceptional restaurants throughout the years. I can remember a dish I had at Bagwells 2424 in 1979, or dinner at Nilolas Roof in 1981/1982
or Bilinis and caviar at the Russian TeaRoom etc....cooking is not a "job" to me it's a passion I just happen to make money doing.

*Most great artists don't please themselves they generally are prefectionist that create because they have a burning desire....or so I've been told.

Is all cooking artistic, is all art artistic?????NOPE it's in the hand of the creator and the senses of the reciever...
that's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.

[momoreg]

I agree with the last comment that shrromgirl made, and I would like to add, that the same holds true for painting, pottery, dance, fashion, music, etc. Those who produce works in these forms may call themselves artists, but not all creative applications are necessarily art.

A musician can sample music of a musical legend. Is that art? It illicits an emotional response, and some people actually like it.

A potter creates hundreds of bowls that look identical. And hand paints them with his own design. That is more unique than borrowing someone else's music, but is it art? Because really, it may be pretty, but it is more useful than emotionally charged.

A plate of food is usually not something that gets remembered years later. On the rare occasion that it does, and there is a tangible reason why, I believe that then it deserves the label "art".

Also, "Cooking" is comprised of so many things. For example, following a risotto recipe is quite different from knowing exactly how to use the ingredient (which is science), and that is quite different from doing something innovative and new with the ingredient. That may sometimes be art.

ART........Walking into the cooler or storeroom with nothing but your own imagination and creativity.
CRAFT......Taking all of the pieces and using technique and learned abilities to execute the dish.
ART........The play of flavors, colors, textures all added up into a great presentation.
Craft.......The execution of that same presentation for 30-50 plates on a busy Sat. night with a million other things going on at the same time.
I can keep going but the point is a melding of the two happens every time a chef walks in the door of his kitchen! Or at least that's what I feel.

[foodnfoto]

Momo-you bring up a valid point, and that is the line is blurred between what is art and what is craft. A potter"s bowl is only art when the definition of what is a "bowl" is challenged. Granted, some recipes may evoke the same emotional response 10 or 50 years after consuming it, but those dishes are few and far between.
My feeling is that the term "art" is applied and bantered about too easily, especially in regard to ordinary aspects of our lives. Food, ultimately, is a form of sustinence and completely necessary to the continuance of life. Art does not contribute to that necessity.
The purpose of Art is to challenge a society's view and preconcieved notion of the world and itself. Hence, art can make you angry, depressed, uncomfortable; it can be ugly, repulsive, frightening ---and still be art.
Would any chef purposely (except in the case of a joke) prepare food to foster such negative responses? I don't think so.

[Pooh]

I remember watching Julia Child barely containing her tears when she tasted a dessert perfectly executed by Nancy Silverton
on Baking with Julia.

Sorry, I do call that ART!!

[Papa]

Dear Friends:

You are all correct!

By definition, a craft is "a special skill or art" and the verb "to craft" means "to make with skill or artistry". (Collins English Dictionary)

By definition, art is "human creativity, any craft or profession, creative work, a making or doing of things that have form and beauty". (Collins English Dictionary)

Cooking is a craft that some of its artisans perfect to an art! The same with painting, sculpting, music, photography, etc... . (Papa's Opinion)

[foodnfoto]

Papa-
I've been waiting to hear your take on this subject. Are you sure your second career is not in diplomacy?
You are right, I believe that most gourmets are craftspeople and some may elivate the craft to an art form.
Remember, not all art is beautiful, yet it is still significant to us as a society--"Guernica" by Picasso, "The Scream" by Eduard Munsch, "Titus Andronicus" by Shakespeare, "Bolero" Maurice Ravel and some pieces by Philip Glass, "Equus" by Schaeffer just to name a few.

[cape chef]

Thank God for our freedom of choice...

I will now artistacly perfect my craft (oh boy I need spell check).
cc

[momoreg]

Cape,

Your creativity with spelling is an art.

[Papa]

Dear foodnfoto:

Thank you so much for your kind words.

As a matter of fact, you just found out which career I gave up to enter the world of olive oil.

Thank you once again.