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Old 11-18-2007, 05:58 PM
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The oils and other 'flavinoids' in coffee start to go 'off' or spoil 5 days from roasting. Doesn't matter if they are ground or not, or if you freeze them.

If you want your coffee fresh -- don't roast it more than 5 days before you plan to brew.

This is from a coffee importer / roaster that I have been interviewing for my website. He is a reliable source, and knows his coffee.

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I am not attempting to trying a <one up> in this thread but I have found other references:
How To Store Coffee - National Coffee Association
(from the national coffee association of USA)

This site says to use roasted coffee beans within 4 days for the perfect espresso:
Espresso - CoffeeResearch.org

side note:
Roasted coffee release CO2 after the roasting process. It requires to be degassed before vacuum packing. This process can take from 24hrs to 4 or 5 days. (I wonder if your expert AndyG is referring to this process to assess freshness?)

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Old 11-19-2007, 07:22 AM
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It would appear that during the CO2 off-gassing period is when most of the flavour (I am Canadian the 'U' is not a typo) is lost.

He also points out the oils in the bean (which are changed during roasting) start to go rancid after a week.

This process is further sped up by grinding, which increases surface area.

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Sorry to say this HeavyG (corrected from Andy G.), Although I do not profess to being a coffee expert I disagree that rancidity is involved in any major way in degrading the flavour of roasted coffee beans. I am willing to listen to other theories but not rancidity for these reasons:

1 Coffee beans contain only a small portion of oil/fat (less then seeds like sunflower seeds which takes many weeks to go rancid)
2 most of the fat in coffee is saturated fatty acids hence rancid resistant (Palmitic and Stearic acid) or monosaturated (oleic acid) also quite resistant
3 The process of roasting is very hot so if the oil should become rancid the roasting would do it (it doesn't)
4 Little or negligible scientific literature is written on the subject of roasted coffee rancidity (even on the web). Rancidity control is not of the radar screen in coffee research.
5 Coffee contains a lot of chlorogenic, acid a known antioxidant, that would slow if not prevent rancidity.

How unworkable would it be to brew coffee within 5 days of roasting? How convenient that an importer/roaster would say so?

I'm sticking to humidity and air as the worst culprit because coffee is like activated charcoal that adsorbs humidity and off-flavours. It may lose coffee flavours if not properly sealed (I agree). Freeze/refrigeration slows the process of coffee flavour evaporation for medium to long term storage.

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Old 11-19-2007, 06:42 PM
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The name is heavyG...

Not unworkable to roast at home, and brew within 5 days...
Not unworkable to find a shop in your area that roasts, and brew in 5 days...

Before the interviews go up, I will check more on the rancid issue; but with the digging I have done so far, it is a plausible part of the puzzle.

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Old 11-19-2007, 07:59 PM
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Wow.... how long have I been here? My first response to this thread was in June of 2001.

These days I have a FoodSaver, in which I store beans I don't use often (espresso). I buy small quantities of beans and grind them as I need them. They're stored in latched containers like these:
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