Robert Irvine versus Gordon Ramsay

[OahuAmateurChef]

Has anyone seen the commercial for the new show Kitchen Nightmares?

Robert Irvine is awesome. I met him for the first time on Dinner Impossible.
He earned my respect as a great leader and chef.

Gordon Ramsay on the other hand, is a jerk. I met him on Helll's Kitchen.
Do not watch this show, it is absolute garbage, in my opinion.

Anyway, I saw the Kitchen Nightmares commercial for the first time about 30 minutes ago, and at the end there is a scene with Robert Irvine in a rage charging after Gordon Ramsay! Wow! As much as I hate Gordon, I want to see that episode! Chef Irvine is a BIG guy!

Has anyone seen this commercial? What do you think?

[KYHeirloomer]

Haven't seen the commercial. But I know how I feel about the two of them.

Irvine does by doing.
Ramsay does by running his mouth about how great he is.

I like one of them, and have no use for the other. Care to guess which is which.

[Ishbel]

I don't know the American chef, so can't make a judgement - but have eaten at a number of Ramsay's restaurants in the UK and have never had a disappointing meal.

Frankly, as an ex-Glasgow Rangers football player - he's not someone who will be frightened of a fight

[KYHeirloomer]

As a matter of fact, Ishbel, he isn't an American chef. Robert Irvine is as British as HRH (whom he has cooked for, btw, along with several other crowned heads).

We all know, by now, your feelings about his majesty Gordon The Loud. But, frankly, when it comes to creativity and sheer kitchen talent, Irvine makes Ramsay look like a kid in a home-ec class.

[Ishbel]

I've never heard of Robert Irvine. Shoot me.

Let's be honest, you've PMd me about how wrong my views on Ramsay really ARE and how right yours are.... I said we should agree to differ.
Obviously rudeness is allowed when differing opinions are expressed?

[shel]

I watched a portion of a ****'s Kitchen marathon last week. Ramsey came across as a real jerk. I know it's only a TV show, but based on how he chose to present himself, I've little use for Ramsey. As for his cooking talents and his restaurants, I can't speak to those as I've never eaten his food nor been in one of his establishments. But, if I were to have a choice of sitting down to a meal, or having a drink with one or the other, based on what I've seen, I'd rather spend time with Irvine.

Shel

[shel]

Originally Posted by shel

I watched a portion of a ****'s Kitchen marathon last week.

It looks like this software won't allow me to write "H3ll's Kitchen" That's pretty silly <LOL>

Shel

[Mezzaluna]

I admit I didn't much like Robert Irvine at first, but I was glad to see him give instruction to inexperienced people and to show some respect for non-chefs he finds in the kitchens. When he catered the private school's graduation dinner he managed to compliment the "kitchen ladies" and recognize they didn't have formal training- but did have years of experience he needed to acknowledge. I think he was most frustrated with the culinary students at the CIA who didn't seem to be very self-directed when given tasks to do.

As for the shouting, isn't that normal when you're the chef trying to keep track of multiple stations? I'd think so.

[Craig.723]

I'm a fan of both of the chefs!! I think those two chefs have a lot of talent and great leadership skills. But, I feel that many people have the impression that Gordon Ramsey has bad leadership and cooking skills because he makes people looks like a**es. My opinion is that order to become a great cook or chef there has to be humility! I've learned that it makes you stronger follow a great chef's high standards. If anyone wants to witness his cooking abilities there is a television network called BBC. Where there is original Kitchen Nightmares, The F Word, and etc. I think Robert Irvine is a good chef and a great leader. But, Gordon Ramsey is the better chef.

[shel]

Originally Posted by Craig.723

I think Robert Irvine is a good chef and a great leader. But, Gordon Ramsey is the better chef.

Have you eaten food prepared by both chefs?

Shel

[KYHeirloomer]

"I've never heard of Robert Irvine. Shoot me."

Just so we understand fully. You're saying that you're so wired-in to the British culinary scene that if you haven't heard of a particular chef he or she just automatically has to be an American? Can't be British, or Ishbel would certainly know who he was, right?

And when it comes to rudeness......Revealing the contents of a private message is rude. Putting a spin on those contents, to make one party look better or worse goes far beyond rude.

[DMT]

FOOD FIGHT!!!!

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(sorry, just couldn't resist...)

[tjlight]

I've watched Hll's Kitchen, Kitchen Nightmares, and Dinner Impossible. Ramsay and Irvine are apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned. Neither is better, they're just different. Ramsay's restaurants have Michelin stars, Irvine's got CEC status.

Hll's Kitchen is supposed to make Ramsay look the way he does. If you watch Kitchen Nightmares (BBC America), he still drops the F bomb a lot, but he's not nearly the beast he's portrayed to be on HK.

Irvine's quick thinking and ability to motivate people he doesn't know impress me. He is a CEC, so it's not like he's a slouch by any means.

When it all comes down to it, it's television. The way shows are edited these days, I find it impossible to make character judgements based on a television show.

Cheers!

[Mezzaluna]

The way shows are edited these days, I find it impossible to make character judgements based on a television show.

Excellent observation, IMHO! All theatre is a type of manipulation, and this is more or less innocuous.... right?

[Ishbel]

Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer

"I've never heard of Robert Irvine. Shoot me."

Just so we understand fully. You're saying that you're so wired-in to the British culinary scene that if you haven't heard of a particular chef he or she just automatically has to be an American? Can't be British, or Ishbel would certainly know who he was, right?

And when it comes to rudeness......Revealing the contents of a private message is rude. Putting a spin on those contents, to make one party look better or worse goes far beyond rude.

Just so WE understand one another. No, I'm not saying that because I haven't heard of someone they have to be AUTOMATICALLY an American chef... but it IS an American programme, I assume - and as I haven't heard of the gent, it would be a fair assumption to make in the circs. I have no great 'insight' into the British culinary scene. I have never claimed such. I have, however, unlike yourself, eaten at various Ramsay restaurants. I base my judgement on HIS food (not Mr Irvine's because, as I said, I do not know him).

You thought you could put me down in a PM. I did not 'reveal' what was in that PM here or anywhere else - so gie's a brek.

You are a bully and it appears that you are able to get away with it on this forum.