[Montelago]

I'm not sure how important the brand is, that is just what is common in my area. I would imagine that if the packaging and handling is okay with your standards, that the juice will give you the benefits no matter what brand. I know if you do a google search, there are a lot of brands on line with a ton of good information.

[Ninja_59]

I just got back from the supermarket close to me, I could not find any Tart red cherry juice

Tomorrow, I will visit the natural products shop close to me

Thanks again for the information

[Cat Man]

"The best dietary source of Vitamin D, after cod liver oil, is wild salmon".

I don't want to start a debate here.....however I don't understand how the salmon has to be wild in order to give someone the Vitamin D they might need to help with inflamation.

Are you suggesting farm raised salmon does not have the same benefits?

Cat Man

[Luc_H]

Hey Shel here is additional advice if you are going toward Turmeric.

Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric, is oil soluble. You will benefit more if you consume turmeric with a healthy does of oil.

second, studies have found that a little black pepper heightens the absorption of curcumin by the body. 1 part black pepper to 1000 part turmeric is all you need.

Third,the combination of turmeric and cauliflower is very beneficial. (found in Indian food)

A nice recipe to try: cauliflower in bitesize fleurettes sauteed in Olive oil (maybe a little butter). Let the cauliflower start to caramelize. Add a healthy dose of turmeric and some cracked pepper and more oil. Toss everything until evenly coated. (I add a little brown sugar to sweeten the dish a little more. the kids love it.).

Good luck with the RA.

Luc H.

[RouxTheDay]

Cat Man said: "...however I don't understand how the salmon has to be wild in order to give someone the Vitamin D they might need to help with inflamation. Are you suggesting farm raised salmon does not have the same benefits?"

I'm sorry I didn't express myself clearly. In no way was I saying that it "HAS" to be wild, or that "ONLY" wild salmon would be useful. I mentioned wild salmon for two reasons. First, some research has found that farmed salmon is significantly lower in vitamin D than wild salmon -- at least one study that I know of found it to have only 1/4 the amount of vitamin D found in wild salmon. Second, many of the contaminants of concern in fish tend to concentrate in fatty tissue, so fatty fish such as salmon, tend to carry higher concentrations of those substances.

Again, my emphasis was on the apparently better nutritional profile offered by wild salmon. Naturally, the most important thing is for those who can/will eat salmon to do so, regardless of its source. It's an exceptionally nutritious food, not only for its potential anti-inflammatory properties, but for many, many other reasons. If only farmed salmon is readily available or affordable, it should certainly still be eaten for its very important health benefits, which far outweigh any small risks or nutrient deficiencies.

My primary point was that sufficient Vitamin D should be consumed. It has been fairly well established as a critical element in immunity, sometimes called the "antibiotic vitamin" and it is currently undergoing several studies of its anti-inflammatory properties.

Some people can't or won't consume fish at all. If cod liver oil is acceptable, I encourage them to explore this option. If that's not good, then take a vitamin D supplement.

No matter what, consult a physician before significantly altering your consumption of Vitamin D. There are several instances where large amounts are contraindicated, and if dosage is to excessive, it can be quite toxic.

[shel]

Originally Posted by Cat Man

"The best dietary source of Vitamin D, after cod liver oil, is wild salmon".

[...] however I don't understand how the salmon has to be wild in order to give someone the Vitamin D they might need to help with inflamation.

Are you suggesting farm raised salmon does not have the same benefits?

Cat Man

I will suggest that farmed salmon is inferior to wild salmon wrt vitamin D. I've read this in many places - here is but one citation: Vitamin D Content of Fish Varies Greatly | October 2006 | Internal Medicine World Report

In addition, farmed salmon (especially Atlantic farmed salmon) contributes to environmental problems, but I won't go into that here, although it's been well documented that such is the case.

shel

[stir it up]

Farmed salmon is the devil, and in addition to other evils, is depleting wild stocks of salmon spreading lice and diseases to it. (she's opinionated this morning) There should be no farming of fish in wild environments. I have no probs if you want to get a self contained tank somewhere, farm away, but it is an environmental disaster the way fish is being farmed today IMO.

Shel, I've also read that the acid in strawberries is quite similar to ASA (aspirin), so they are supposed to have some anti-inflammatory / analalgesic properties. With pineapple I've read a half pineapple a day to get the effect. I didn't notice an effect from pineapple myself.

organic farmers can use Vitamin D as rodenticide. You can also make vitamin D yourself by getting out in the sunshine. I have read 15 minutes on hand and face will give you the RDA, so you could go upwards from there.

[melis]

Originally Posted by stir it up

Farmed salmon is the devil, and in addition to other evils, is depleting wild stocks of salmon spreading lice and diseases to it. (she's opinionated this morning) There should be no farming of fish in wild environments. I have no probs if you want to get a self contained tank somewhere, farm away, but it is an environmental disaster the way fish is being farmed today IMO.

Its not your opinion, what you are stating is fact (except maybe the devil part)

Not to hijack this thread, but it is NOT nearly as healthy as wild salmon, same goes for cattle are are fed a nutritionally bankrupt diet of grain. It just appals me that farmed salmon is so deviod of its natural and nutrient rich diet that the flesh is white and has to be dyed to give it the pink or orange color. Farmed salmon is fed corn...esentially between the beef industry and now the fish most people are eating, we have quite the simplified diet of CORN. I don't need to be a scientist to know that there is something amiss when we are feeding fish corn (which BTW is a tropical grass). I also don't need to be a scientist to know that industrial farming on a mass scale of of any species/crop and the extreme methods we go to to feed an overpopulated planet is going to turn out to be a total disaster. I'm just sayin....

[shel]

Monterey Bay Aquarium: Seafood Watch Program - Salmon

I am adamantly 100% against farmed Atlantic salmon. I feel so strongly about the subject that I will not even eat at a restaurant that sells the stuff, and whenever possible will let the restaurant know why they will not have my business.

shel

[deltadoc]

Having arthritis myself, besides taking glucosamine/chondroitin, one of the best things one can do is drink plenty of water. Water keeps the body (and joints) hydrated, thus reducing the inflammation induced from movement.

doc

[shel]

Originally Posted by deltadoc

Having arthritis myself, besides taking glucosamine/chondroitin, one of the best things one can do is drink plenty of water. Water keeps the body (and joints) hydrated, thus reducing the inflammation induced from movement.

doc

Water is an amazing "food." Most people don't drink enough, often thinking that other liquids can take the place of water. I've gotta try the glucosamine. Is there a recommended dose or perhaps a certiin regimine that works best? I'd think that more exercise might be helpful as well - yes?

shel

[shel]

Thanks, Luic ... I just recently refreshed my stock of turmeric, and later today ortomorrow will be picking up some cauliflower, so I'll try a few recipes to see what tastes good to me. Pepper sounds like a nice addition ...


shel

Originally Posted by Luc_H

Hey Shel here is additional advice if you are going toward Turmeric.

Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric, is oil soluble. You will benefit more if you consume turmeric with a healthy does of oil.

second, studies have found that a little black pepper heightens the absorption of curcumin by the body. 1 part black pepper to 1000 part turmeric is all you need.

Third,the combination of turmeric and cauliflower is very beneficial. (found in Indian food)

A nice recipe to try: cauliflower in bitesize fleurettes sauteed in Olive oil (maybe a little butter). Let the cauliflower start to caramelize. Add a healthy dose of turmeric and some cracked pepper and more oil. Toss everything until evenly coated. (I add a little brown sugar to sweeten the dish a little more. the kids love it.).

Good luck with the RA.

Luc H.

[shel]

Originally Posted by Luc_H

A nice recipe to try: cauliflower in bitesize fleurettes sauteed in Olive oil (maybe a little butter). Let the cauliflower start to caramelize. Add a healthy dose of turmeric and some cracked pepper and more oil.

Would about 1-tsp to a cup or so of cauliflower be a reasonable starting point, or perhaps a bit more turmeric?

shel

[Luc_H]

1Tsp+ per cup sounds right. (about half of brown sugar)
Turmeric will smell musky/flowery when heated. Very appealing.

Turmeric quality: Shel I know you always buy good stuff but the way to tell if your turmeric is of good quality is the colour: It should be more orange then yellow. Dry, it should smell like cement dust.

Turmeric is a rhizome like a ginger root. I have seem fresh turmeric roots in a local Asian store here but haven't tried it.

Luc H.

[deltadoc]

Originally Posted by shel

Water is an amazing "food." Most people don't drink enough, often thinking that other liquids can take the place of water. I've gotta try the glucosamine. Is there a recommended dose or perhaps a certiin regimine that works best? I'd think that more exercise might be helpful as well - yes?

shel

I can't recommend a dosage or regime. I use GNC Triflex, 1500/1200 combination of glucosamine/chondrointin and something else I can't remember.

At first, I noticed a remarkable change after a bout 2 months. Then after about a year of it, I had my wife try it. Her back problems went away too, after about 2 months. However, she now has osteoopenia, a precursor to osteoporosis which is a loss of calcium in her hips and lower back. Not related to arthritis. I've read a bout a liquid sold only over the internet, that uses pharmaceutical grade glucosamine. The trouble with anything sold in a health food store is that it isn't monitored or approved by the FDA. Therefore you have little guarantee of there being contained within the pills what the label says.

But I do know that if I don't drink enough water each day, I'll suddenly wake up one morning stiff as a board in my joints and muscles.

We've been drinking Fiji water. It tastes so good, better than any other. Supposedly has lots of minerals and is very pure. We like it. Fun to drink water that tastes so good!

doc