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04-01-2008, 03:18 PM
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| | What makes a fish sushi grade or sashimi grade? What makes a fish sushi grade or sashimi grade? | 
04-01-2008, 03:21 PM
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| | The imagination of the person trying to sell the fish. There are no such certified grades.
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04-01-2008, 03:30 PM
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| | hmmmm......paid alot for sashimi grade tuna and then charged alot for sashimi grade tuna. Never knew it was just plain old marketing.  | 
04-01-2008, 03:33 PM
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| | I thought that hte sushi/shahsmi grade was basiclly its cut, fileted and cryovaced as soon as the fish is cut/caught | 
04-01-2008, 04:23 PM
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| | I also heard, the knife has to be cleaned after each cut for it to be sushi grade, not sure if thats true or not though.
Sounds like it might just be marketing. | 
04-01-2008, 04:42 PM
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04-01-2008, 05:19 PM
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| | After reading the aritcle above i thought id coment
The restaurant i used to work at was pretty much just a seafood restaurant. We had a few steaks and one or two chicken dishes, and the rest of the menu was seafood.
Any fish that was grilled or sauteed was "fresh". Our tilapia and trout came in from a food suplier called PFG. Our salmon was farm rasied. Our bass, mahi, tuna, sword, grouper, chanchito, that was all sent in in loins on ice.
We also served an Ahi Tuna sashimi. That fish was sent in dry froven at 45 below, and we had a special freezer for it. There was no moisture, and when u touched it, it didnt feel cold at all, but if you were to drop on of the pieces, it would shatter into a million tiny tuna particles. What we would do, is take the pieces of frozen tuna, sit them in 110 degree water for 2 minutes, caot them in a teriyaki/egg yold mixture, then coat them in a black and white sesame seed blend, then deep fry them at 425 degree oil for 35 seconds and let them sit in the walk in overnight for service the next day. The restuarant was a corporate restaurant.
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04-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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| | For home, make your own sushi grade fish (like steak tartar).
Buy a thick piece of the freshest fish you can get (Salmon, tuna). Cut it into a nice rectangle.
Prep a strong sanitizing solution in a large glass so that the whole blade of your knife of choice fit in it. (1/4 cup of dishwasher powder per liter of water),
wash your hands. Sanitize a large cutting board. Place your piece at one end.
Cut away 1/4 inch off each perpendicular sides. Dip your blade and wipe clean before each cut. Cut the top off, dip and wipe. Turn your piece on a clean area of the board and cut away the last surface.
Use another sanitized board and your sanitized knife to cut you sushi pieces. Place in a bowl plastic wrap and place on ice. Use your fish ASAP.
Even with all these precautions things can still go wrong... probably that's why Sushi chefs in Japan require many many years of apprenticeship before becoming a master. (I never eat sushi at a joint where the cook barely looks over 18)
Use the cut away piece by making large dices. Pan fry with butter + seasonings and serve on a salad or on simple buttered, cream and garlic pasta.
Luc H.
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04-04-2008, 02:42 AM
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| | The way I undersood it was that sashimi and sushi grade are the same thing and that any fish to be consumed raw must be eaten within 48 hours of being caught... Interesting article. | 
04-04-2008, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by stir it up | Nice article.
Every food show or documentary I saw about large fish markets in Japan, tuna was always on display frozen. The whole fish is solid as a rock on a wooden skid. That's how it comes off the vessel. Before the auction, the tail is hacked off for buyers to inspect the flesh. These fish weigh several hundred pounds and go for many thousands $.
As soon as it is purchased, the fish it thawed. <fish butchers> cut it up for resale to the sushi restaurants across the country.
(somebody can correct me on this but...) I think all commercial fishing operations flash freeze their catch. Flash freezing does not affect the texture of the flesh that much compared to home freezing. Obviously any fish sold live have never been frozen. Live fish are either from aquaculture or from smaller, non-automated, less commercial fishing operations.
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04-04-2008, 07:52 AM
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| | Luc, not all commercial fish has been flash frozen.
Certainly a large proportion of the catch. And anything sold as frozen or previously frozen was FAS.
There are, however, still many fishing ports where fish are landed fresh. That is to say, caught by smaller boats, either with nets or long lines, and iced down until a full load is available.
Because of this, "fresh" fish can be as much as 4 days old before it hits the display case at the fishmonger.
The fact is, though, that for most people, and certainly anyone living more than, oh, say, 100 miles inland, the "freshest" fish, in terms of flavor and texure, actually is FAS. Providing, of course, that it's defrosted correctly. | 
04-04-2008, 07:58 AM
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| | there has been a HUGE jump in fish costs.....retail case at STL best fish monger had numerous offerings in the mid twenties....seems like last year the majority of them were in the midteens.
I had halibut for dinner last night.....made it a week ago for a priest luncheon.
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04-04-2008, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shroomgirl there has been a HUGE jump in fish costs.....retail case at STL best fish monger had numerous offerings in the mid twenties....seems like last year the majority of them were in the midteens.
YUMMMY | ALL food prices are up substantially, mostly because of the price of fuel in the United States  . With fish, it's not only the boats but the air transport. And of course, foods depending on a variety of crops (not fish  ) take a double whammy as they're affected by ethanol policy as well  .
Why have oil prices risen high, with no end in sight? Don't get me started.     In November, you can do something to change it -- a little.
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