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Old 05-28-2008, 05:55 PM
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I am a newbie here and decided to throw in a question my family has asked for many years after my grandfather passed away, he made one of my favorite dishes thru my childhood days and has left us bit's and pieces of his recipes. I would like to ask all the experts here what is missing in steps or in seasoning. My aunts and uncles who have tried this recipes have not gotten the lamb tender enough nor has the taste been the same as his. My grandfather was a great chef, but he always added things and kept everyone out of the kitchen until he was done. Please help, thanks.

LAMB CURRY


LAMB (I THINK HE USED LAMB RIBS) CUT UP SALT
CLOVES BAY LEAF
2 CLOVES GARLIC, SMASHED 1 LARGE ONION, SLICED
2 OR 3 POTATOES CUT INTO CHUNKS JUICE OF 1/2 LEMON
CURRY POWDER FLOUR MIXTURE OF 1/4 CUP FLOUR AND 1/2 CUP WATER

BOIL LAMB IN WATER UP TO TOP OF LAMB WITH SALT, CLOVES AND BAY LEAF UNTIL TENDER.

STRAIN LIQUID FROM LAMB, REMOVE OIL FROM TOP OF THE SOUP AND SET ASIDE.

WASH LAMB & SET ASIDE.

SAUTE GARLIC & ONIONS IN 2 TLBS OIL IN LARGE POT. ADD POTATOES, CURRY POWDER & LEMON JUICE.

ADD THE SOUP & BRING TO A BOIL, THAN SIMMER UNTIL POTATOES ARE HALF DONE.

ADD LAMB & COOK FOR 5 - 10 MINUTES. ADD FLOUR MIXTURE. ADD MORE SALT IF NEEDED.
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It sounds like your grandfather's recipe isn't traditional Indian style exactly, so my suggestions may be off., but here goes . .

Maybe look up a recipe that lists individual spices, or use a jar of curry paste made in India and made specifically for lamb. Other than that, maybe add cilantro. Is it possible his recipe had a little cream in it?
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The curry spices might come out better if they were cooked in the broth from the beginning.
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It sounds like your grandfather's recipe isn't traditional Indian style exactly, so my suggestions may be off., but here goes . .

Maybe look up a recipe that lists individual spices, or use a jar of curry paste made in India and made specifically for lamb. Other than that, maybe add cilantro. Is it possible his recipe had a little cream in it?

I remember it had the consistency of clam chowder, with a white colored creamy curry mixture. There were no strong taste of lamp and I was emailed today that my mom remembered him boiling and draining several times.
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:34 PM
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Boil the lamb?
If I wanted to make my lamb nice and tender I would slow cook it at a low heat, not boil it. Wouldn't boiling the lamb actually toughen it?
Any chance he wasn't actually using lamb and was boiling and rinsing it to remove an unwanted taste?
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Without knowing exactly what Gramps was doing, it's hard to figure out the missing step. But ...

Assuming you're using a tough, inexpensive cut of lamb which requires a long pre-cook. Simmer the lamb with onions, carrots, a few black pepper corns, a bay leaf and a little salt, until tender. Simmer -- don't boil. When the water starts to simmer, a scum will form on top. Skim the scum and discard it. Check again in ten minutes and skim again. Continue simmering until the meat is just tender -- do not overcook or the lamb will become stringy.

Remove the lamb from the broth, and reserve it, tightly covered so it doesn't dry out. As soon as the broth has settled, de-fat it by skimming or using a separator; or you may chill it and the fat will congeal on the top and be easily removed. Strain the stock and discard the aromatics. Reserve the stock.

Finely slice some onion. The right cut is important. Slice. Not chop or dice. Fine. Nor rough or coarse. Crush some fresh ginger and some fresh garlic, then mince them very fine, and crush again with the flat of your knife.

The following sequence is important: Heat some ghee (clarified butter) and/or oil in a large frying pan or wok. Add the onions, and fry until just starting to brown. Add the "curry powder," using a good garam masala or a strong Madras style curry powder. ("Sun Brand" Madras curry powder is useful for some things, but is less than ideal for this purpose. Based on your description of the color, Gramps probably used garam masala.) Cook the spices until they become very fragrant, about two minutes. Then add the garlic and ginger. Allow to cook for a minute or two. Add the potatoes allow them to cook briefly, and stir to coat the potatoes in the spice mixture, allow to cook another minute or two. Add some of the broth; enough for the amount of gravy desired. Cook the stock down by about a third. Add enough canned (unsweetened) coconut milk to replace the stock. Reduce to a simmer. Add the lamb. You will notice the onions disappear as they dissolve in the sauce. This, along with the coconut milk, and the action of the cooked spices should be enough to thicken the gravy to the desired consistency without additional flour.

Personally, I use a better cut of lamb and brown it before the onions, then remove and return to the curry later. I use beef and lamb bones to make a simple stock, or use regular beef stock. The difference in the final product is slight. If you make stock from the bone of a left-over leg of lamb, it's called "Scotch Broth." Sometimes, instead of lamb I use goat. As a great Raja once said, "I loves me some goat curry."

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I suggest you try some cream in it.

Potatoes will thicken the broth. It might have been potatoes and cream that made it thicker and white, rather than flour. Unless you're sure about the flour.
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