[boar_d_laze]

Originally Posted by bughut

I was told the grey strip was the blood line - where the blood settles when the fish is killed. I dont like it and always remove it, though i know folk who dont mind it attall.

I just read over the thread and saw the conversation regarding the gray strip under the skin. It is indeed the bloodline and has a soft texture and a very fishy taste. On top of that it overcooks almost instantly emphasizing its too fishy character. It's "V" shaped, very shallow and easy to remove from any skinned salmon. If the piece is left skin-on and the diner eats the skin with the fish, (s)he probably won't notice it.

This is how I eat salmon and if I can manage to keep the skin on with the fish I never notice the bloodline. But if I can see it, I don't like it. Just goes to show how much we eat with our eyes.

BDL

[Bazza]

I eat a lot of salmon and the grey part never bothered me. Now I know what it is....I don't like it LOL

[KYHeirloomer]

>One nice way to prepare a steak for cooking is to take a sharp knife,....<

BDL left one part out of his otherwise excellent description of trussed salmon steaks. Before rolling the legs, carefully loosen the skin from them (as if you were fileting just the legs). Then roll one leg inside the other, as he describes. Wrap the skin flaps around the outside, then tie into the round shape.

What yo will wind up with is a disk that is all salmon flesh, wrapped in a ring of skin.

Trussed steaks make a pleasing presentation, well worth the effort. And they also make for more even cooking, because the legs cook at the same rate as the loins. Plus the fatiness of the legs infuses into the loin meat, making up for the flavor lost when you removed the bones.

All in all, a great way to prepare fish steaks; one that works for any fish that can be steaked, not just salmon.

[novice_01]

Originally Posted by boar_d_laze

Neither is better. Much depends on how you choose to cook it. Steaks are easier to handle for people who aren't good at handling fish gently or preventing it from sticking. If you're new to cooking fish (and your question suggests you are), steaks are a great way to start!

One nice way to prepare a steak for cooking is to take a sharp knife, put the tip in next to the back bone, then trace along the ribs and free them from the meat. Do this on both sides, and remove the back bone and ribs. Then roll one "leg" of the steak around the other and use a piece of twine to tie the whole thing in a tight circle. This allows the wonderful belly meat (from those legs), which is very rich and tasty to cook at the same rate as the rest of the salmon. If you have a good fish-monger ask her to do this for you and watch while she does it, so you can do it for yourself the next time. In any case, it's easy enough to do even from a description as basic as mine.

Another is to leave the bones in the steak and simply grill it. The legs will become more well done than the rest of the fish -- but don't worry, they can take it. The belly is loaded with salmon fat, which not only tastes wonderful but is loaded with Omega 3 and is very good for you.

Try not to overcook salmon. Most people like it cooked between medium and medium-well. While a few prefer it between medium and medium-rare. While it's easy to tell when a fillet is cooked by looking, the only good way to test a steak is by touch. Press your fingers gently into the meat near the backbone, and when the salmon pushes back (on both sides) it's medium medium-rare. An extra minute on each side will take it to medium medium-well. This sounds a lot more uncertain than it is.

BDL

You're right - I have almost no experience in cooking. I'm already lost in the cutting of the fish. Is a salmon steak something I can purchase already pre-cut, so I don't have to do any cutting or separating or anything?

[boar_d_laze]

Originally Posted by novice_01

You're right - I have almost no experience in cooking. I'm already lost in the cutting of the fish. Is a salmon steak something I can purchase already pre-cut, so I don't have to do any cutting or separating or anything?

My bad. I made it seem harder for you than it is. You can buy salmon steaks already cut. If you buy from a fish-monger, they'll be happy to cut the bones out of the steak and tie it in the way I described. If you're buying from a supermarket that doesn't do much cutting, they might not custom cut the fish for you.

If not, don't let it bother you. Just learn to season and cook the steaks to the stage you like them. If you're not much of fish eater yet, that's probably medium-well. If you're a salmon lover, that's probably medium.

What's the difference? Well, if you cut into a medium done piece of salmon, there will be a very small section in the middle that's still shiny, soft and slightly underdone. Medium-well, and that bit's gone. Well, which is not good means try fish that flakes open very easily. A generation or two ago, Americans were taught to cook fish until it flaked. Don't. Not only will it taste bad, but it will be so dry that it will stick to your teeth. Yucch! No wonder some people don't like fish!

I know I said this before, but it bears repitition: If you cook salmon steaks under the broiler, you'll notice that the skinny legs (belly) cook faster the big, meaty section around the backbone. Those parts can handle being cooked more well done than any other part of the salmon, because there's comparatively more salmon fat around them. Don't worry about the word "fat," when it's in the context of salmon. It's delicious and very healthy, too.

Because of changes wrought by over-fishing, global warming, and the Bush administration's water policies in the west, this year's Pacific salmon run will be very reduced in the species of salmon most preferred. The only wild salmon available at anything like a decent price will be leaner species than most people are used to. This means being very careful not to overcook the salmon.

Lean salmon cooks like lean hamburger. That is, it cooks very fast and goes from rare to overcooked in almost no time. If you use a recipe or a fish-monger's recommendation you'll have to "undercook" by quite a bit. To start, figure a third less time than a recipe specifies. Remember what I told you: Press the salmon with two fingers. When you feel it push back, it's done.

Hope this helps,
BDL

[novice_01]

Originally Posted by KYHeirloomer

Shel, I agree with the others. You either lucked out with a poor piece of fish, or you defrosted it incorrectly. Most frozen fish, nowadays, is as good or better than so-called fresh.

Another possibility: You have, in the past, bought coho or chinook, and the sockeye has a different texture and flavor? That's a guess, as the only sockeye I've ever eaten came out of a can.

I'm not familiar with the Loch Duart brand, particularly. But if it's from Scotland it is likely Atlantic salmon; not the Pacific salmon you are used to.

What's the proper way to defrost it?

[shel]

Originally Posted by novice_01

What's the proper way to defrost it?

Frozen seafood should be thawed gradually by placing it in the refrigerator overnight or in the morning, depending on when you want to cook the fish and how large a piece it is. Thaw it in the package it come in. If you must thaw seafood quickly, either seal it in a plastic bag and immerse it in cold water, or - if the food will be cooked immediately thereafter - microwave it on the "defrost" setting and stop the defrost cycle while the fish is still icy but pliable.

shel

[boar_d_laze]

The best way to defrost almost all meat, poultry and fish is overnight in the refrigerator.

BDL

[boar_d_laze]

Originally Posted by shel

Yesterday I bought a couple of frozen Alaskan salmon filets at Trader Joe's - first time. I noticed that under the skin there was a layer of greyish flesh - looked pretty unappetizing. What is that grey stuff? Is it harmful or unhealthy? BTW, I was not at all happy with the taste/texture of the salmon.

Also, has anyone tasted Loch Duart salmon from Scotland. I've heard that it's very high quality. It can be purchased at a market in San Francisco - and that's the only place in the area that I know of it being available. It's a long drive to SF just to pick up a piece of fish. Does anyone know of another place in the San Francisco Bay Area that this fish can be purchased? I'll check with my regular fish guy when I next see him ....

shel

Bloodline already addressed.

KY raised the "different species" issue. Shel, the best wild western salmon has traditionally been King. The California, Oregon and Washington King runs are reduced to almost zip. The Pacific salmon that's available will be from much leaner fish like Coho, Sockeye and "Silvery."

Whatever TJ was selling was probably a leaner fish than you're used to and that might have had something to do with the texture. Sometimes you just get a piece of crap salmon. The processor should sort out the problem fish but a bad fish just slips through now and then. Also you have to remember that TJ's selling it cheap because they're getting it cheap. Some of their products are incredible values and some of them are just horrible.

My local Vietnamese "Superfoodwarehouse" has some decent wild Coho at reasonable prices. Vien Dong on Rosemead in the SGV. Not much help to you, is it?

The Loch Duart salmon is, as you know, farmed according to fairly evolved practices. As farmed, Atlantic salmon goes it's silly good. As to finding it in the Bay Area, you might try asking janeanne.mackie@lochduart.com

BDL

[shel]

Originally Posted by boar_d_laze

Bloodline already addressed.

KY raised the "different species" issue. Shel, the best wild western salmon has traditionally been King. The California, Oregon and Washington King runs are reduced to almost zip. The Pacific salmon that's available will be from much leaner fish like Coho, Sockeye and "Silvery."

Whatever TJ was selling was probably a leaner fish than you're used to and that might have had something to do with the texture. Sometimes you just get a piece of crap salmon. With cut fish, the processor should catch it. Sometimes a bad fish just slips through though. TJ's selling it cheap because they're getting it cheap.

My local Vietnamese "Superfoodwarehouse" has some decent wild Coho at reasonable prices. Not much help to you, is it?

The Loch Duart salmon is, as you know, farmed according to fairly evolved practices. As farmed, Atlantic salmon goes it's silly good. As to finding it in the Bay Area, you might try asking janeanne.mackie@lochduart.com

BDL

While the TJ salmon won't cut it for me for poaching, grilling, or baking, it's OK for use in soup and stew, where the flavor is often masked by other ingredients. But for those salmon dinners, no way. For that I'll get the fish from Paul Johnson at Monterey Fish or Tokyo Fish Market.

There is a market in San Francisco that sell Loch Duart salmon, or at least they did, but it's such a PITAto get over there from the East Bay that it's not worth the trip. There's a sushi place in Napa or Santa Rosa that supposedly uses Loch Duart salmon, and I thought I'd call them and see where they're getting the fish. If that doesn't work outI'll drop your contact a note. I'm really curious to see how it compares to the atlantic salmon that's sold in the supermarkets here. I tried some at a local upscale market and it only took one bite to know that the fish was not Pacific salmon ...

scb

[novice_01]

Originally Posted by boar_d_laze

My bad. I made it seem harder for you than it is. You can buy salmon steaks already cut. If you buy from a fish-monger, they'll be happy to cut the bones out of the steak and tie it in the way I described. If you're buying from a supermarket that doesn't do much cutting, they might not custom cut the fish for you.

If not, don't let it bother you. Just learn to season and cook the steaks to the stage you like them. If you're not much of fish eater yet, that's probably medium-well. If you're a salmon lover, that's probably medium.

What's the difference? Well, if you cut into a medium done piece of salmon, there will be a very small section in the middle that's still shiny, soft and slightly underdone. Medium-well, and that bit's gone. Well, which is not good means try fish that flakes open very easily. A generation or two ago, Americans were taught to cook fish until it flaked. Don't. Not only will it taste bad, but it will be so dry that it will stick to your teeth. Yucch! No wonder some people don't like fish!

I know I said this before, but it bears repitition: If you cook salmon steaks under the broiler, you'll notice that the skinny legs (belly) cook faster the big, meaty section around the backbone. Those parts can handle being cooked more well done than any other part of the salmon, because there's comparatively more salmon fat around them. Don't worry about the word "fat," when it's in the context of salmon. It's delicious and very healthy, too.

Because of changes wrought by over-fishing, global warming, and the Bush administration's water policies in the west, this year's Pacific salmon run will be very reduced in the species of salmon most preferred. The only wild salmon available at anything like a decent price will be leaner species than most people are used to. This means being very careful not to overcook the salmon.

Lean salmon cooks like lean hamburger. That is, it cooks very fast and goes from rare to overcooked in almost no time. If you use a recipe or a fish-monger's recommendation you'll have to "undercook" by quite a bit. To start, figure a third less time than a recipe specifies. Remember what I told you: Press the salmon with two fingers. When you feel it push back, it's done.

Hope this helps,
BDL

This helps a lot! Thanks!

[QOS]

I love salmon - I like to make it on the grill. I do have to watch it carefully to keep from overcooking - that is happened more than I care to say.

I generally take any left overs and make a salmon salad for DH's lunch. He loves it - wouldn't touch tuna fish salad with a 10' pole but he loves salmon salad.

I much prefer the wild caught salmon. It is far superior to the farm raised to me. The farm raised has more of a "fishy" taste.

Fish is tricky to cook and cook well. I grew up eating red snapper and ling. Grandpa would deep sea fish with my great uncle and drag home the good stuff! Yum...red snapper is terrific

[les poissioner]

I know I am joining this thread a bit late, but I wanted to try to help answer a few questions.

• Loch Duart is an Atlantic farm raised product of Scotland. It is a superior choice when it comes to farmed salmon. But if you are on the west coast you have so many wild choices I would recommend.
• Not all frozen fish is equal. Very little is frozen at sea, and those fish should be sold as a whole or a headed and gutted form. When it comes to frozen salmon Bruce Gore Wild, and Lumi Island Wild are two names you can trust.
• If you are buying frozen fillet you might have better luck cooking it directly from frozen. This usually allows the moisture to stay in the fish.

[Fishmonger Ran]

BDL, KYH, You guys should open a cooking school. Your explanations always get right to point and are not too technical. It is much appreciated.

Loch Duart salmon is a farmed Atlantic Salmon. What makes this one so different is that it actually holds an, "Organic" certification. Now, that is a EU certification because the US will not comit to certifying anything organic that has fins. (another forum, another time). They actually have a separate pond where they have been using a soy protien feed. This is not marketed yet, but they are having great success at it. If your monger has a competent buyer, he should be able to have it to you within three days of ordering.

Shel, all fish that go through a processor is "Graded." You have heard the term "Sushi Grade" I am sure. This normally refers to a #1 or #1+ on the tuna grade scale. Well, the same works with any fish that is processed. I am assuming that TJ's got sent some #2's or worse. Those are normally what is used for Canned fish or frozen for overseas buyers. #3's and lower are your fish fertilizer or pet food or fish Farm feed. Nothing is ever wasted. I would actually bring it up to the manager next time you are there. TJ's has a great reputation amongst the processors because they have very picky buyers. They buy an enormous amount of fish and it is in the processors best interest to keep them happy.

[Gunnar]

Loch Duarte is a farmed salmon, we serve it (and if we run out we don't order whatever Salmon is available) at my restaurant. My Chef says he has studied their farming techniques and finds them to be the best around. As, not serving salmon isn't an option, he is trying to use the best farmed. Cause Wild Salmon needs some time to recover people. Also, even though we are trying to pride ourselves on being local and organic (90% of our gear comes from within 100 miles) , we get this Scotland farmed Salmon due to it's Green impact. I guess trading a small carbon footprint for a large one while trying to support improved fish farming practices worldwide is a even loss for the Green movement.

And Shel? it should taste great. traders Joe's just let ya down. Been finding more and more I don't trust their frozen foods.