[monkchef]

well what do you all think about it? snape still good/bad? what about dumbledore's death? etc.?

[phatch]

Finished it Sunday afternoon. I liked it. Pacing was good. Few if any diversions that didn't go anywhere. Harry's out of his snit.

Dumbledore had to go. Standard part of these sort of stories. As to it's permanence, the stage is set for him to come back through a number of avenues, but I don't care if he's dead.

Snape revelations are the main new points of this book and they too can be explained a couple of different ways.

Phil

[Mezzaluna]

I picked it up on Saturday morning, started it at 10:00 a.m., and finished it at 11:15 that night. (We took a 2-1/2 hour dinner break for my birthday in the evening.)

A few observations:

1. Rowling has the adolescents down pretty well. She has Ron's love life with Lavender Brown down to a T. That's exactly how that age handles love, from what I've seen of middle and high school kids. Their eye-rolling and disdain of teachers is spot-on, especially when it's done behind the teacher's back.

2. Slughorn, the new Potions teacher, is like a few of my past colleagues who gather the "stars" around them and hardly notice the rest. Rowling does a good job with Harry's approach/avoid reaction to that teacher. He realizes he may need Slughorn to get ahead (particularly if he wants to be an Auror), but detests the bottom-kissing he must do. Ultimately, Harry does the right thing and rejects that scene.

3. Dumbledore's death was what I expected, but not in the way I expected (although that may yet turn out to be what happened). I thought he would die to protect Harry; in the book it's kind of indirectly so. Personally, I think he'll come back. There's something about that tomb; no other Headmaster has one like it, or at least I presume so as other tombs have never been mentioned. Dumbledore may now be in a different form- a ghost, like Nearly Headless Nick, who can still advise Harry and be part of what's going on in the world in spite of not having a body.

4. Harry has finally gotten the right girl in Ginny Weasley. Expect Ron to hook up with Hermione in the final book, but it may not stick. It would be just too neat to have the four of them become two couples.

5. Snape... I think this is still Snape under deep cover. It goes with the idea I have that Dumbledore is not really dead. It was just too improbable for the Death Eaters to get into Hogwarts and do so much damage (and get away). Was it part of the Order of the Phoenix's plans?

I haven't hung out at HP websites to hear what the real fanatics are saying, but it would be fun. Now I'm waiting for "Goblet of Fire" to arrive in theaters this November!

As you can see, I'm a big fan myself. I've been a fantasy/sci-fi fan since I discovered LOTR in my sophomore year of high school. Right now I'm reading a John Varley sci-fi adventure called "Red Thunder". He's a favorite of mine.

[monkchef]

1. Dumbledore is dead, but not gone. He also did not beg for his life, but asked snape to do it so Malfoy wouldn't have to. There is always his painting in the head office.
2. McGonnagale will become the new head mistress. That is unless they have Umbridge come back. That is a possibility I think. I doubt much time will be spent at Hogwarts, but i think Umbridge will be back somehow in the book.
3. R.A.B. is none other that Regalus Black. He stole the locket and it was last seen in Grimmauld Place. The kids found it, but couldn't open it. Did Mundungus steal it though?
4. Snape is not evil. Period.
more later when i can think clearer

[Mezzaluna]

Monkchef, a propos your point #3- is this in Order of the Phoenix? I don't remember this....

Good point about the manner of Dumbledore's death.

Now excuse me while I go to re-read the book, which I read far too fast! (That's my usual pattern with this series.)

[phatch]

It's when they're cleaning out the house in the first part of the OTP. I suspect Kreacher has it somewhere.

Phil

[Mezzaluna]

Phil,

Thanks for the tip. I went back to Order of the Phoenix and found a passing reference to a locket that nobody could open. It's near the beginning when they're cleaning the Black mansion.

Also, there's a reference in Half-Blood Prince several times to Regulus Black, Sirius' brother. He had been a death eater, but survived only a few days before he was killed. Since the note which was left with the phony locket was signed "R.A.B.", I'm betting that locket at the Black mansion was the Horcrux. Kreacher not doubt knows its whereabouts. Harry sent him to Hogwarts, so now he'll be nearby for questioning when (or if) Harry returns to school in the fall.

Being retired is fun!

[monkchef]

in either goblet of more likely phoenix sirius says he doesn't believe regalus to be dead. something to think about...remember we haven't seen him die...we are just taking jo's word for it and you know how she likes to mis-direct...
:/

[monkchef]

1. The Gaunt Ring (DESTROYED)
2. Riddle's Diary (DESTROYED)
3. Nagini, the snake
4. Slytherin's Locket, stolen by R.A.B (which some have speculated is the locket that wouldn't open from the glass cabinet in Book Five)
5. Helga Hufflepuff's Cup
6. An item of Rowena Ravenclaw's or an item of Godric Gryffindor's.

some of the potterheads (hehhehheh) think that Ravenclaw was too shrewed to have had one of her items to be used for evil and Dumbledore told Harry that only a Gryffindor could have pulled that sword out of the sorting hat so they are in the mindset that Harry himself might be a horcrux.

if that is so then:

1. Harry destroys all the Horcruxes except himself, then kills himself and Voldemort at the same time.
2. Harry kills all the Horcruxes including himself, leaving Voldemort completely mortal, so someone else can kill him.

i don't really see it, but all i know about book 7 is at the last moment the last word of the book is scar.

something to think about.