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Old 12-21-1999, 06:45 PM
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Question Insulated Cookie Sheet Pans

Whenever I use an insulated cookie sheetpan when making cookies, they tend to melt into each other and become a "cookie sheet" before they are done. I bake them on the center rack of the oven at the temp called for in the recipe. Why does this happen?
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Old 12-22-1999, 07:25 AM
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cheap aluminium?
Best for cookies i have found are 1/2 sheet pans with parchment paper. easy clean up, insulation form the paper, pans can be used for may things as they have high sides. ( also called jelly roll or bun pans.

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Old 12-22-1999, 12:06 PM
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I'd agree about the half sheet pans, however I prefer Silpat sheets which are some sort of rubberized nonstick sheets that you can use forever. You might want to check out Cooks magazine for an article comparing cookie sheets. It was within the last few months and its been a while since I read it, but as I recall, they weren't too high on insulated pans. If you're not familiar with Cooks, they test everything in excrutiating detail with side by side comparisons of cooking methods, equipment, etc.
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Old 12-22-1999, 12:08 PM
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I reread my previous response, I meant I prefer Silpats to parchment, not that you can use them without a pan underneath.
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Old 12-22-1999, 01:45 PM
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linda,
i have found that for some cookies the silpat sheets inhibited the spread and in other cases caused too much spread. trial and error.
i have noticed that the price of these sheets has been coming down, so shop wise.
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Old 12-30-1999, 05:46 PM
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Flat, puffy, chewy, crispy... Read our hints and tips on how to get the texture YOU want in your cookies.

Cookies are a favorite goodie of just about everyone. And it seems like just about everyone has a different opinion of how cookies should be. Some people like their cookies crisp and delicate. Others prefer a chewy cookie with a thickness that you can sink your teeth into. The conundrum lies in getting the cookies you bake to have the texture you want. The exact same cookie recipe can bake up into two completely different cookies, the flavor will be the same but the texture will be different. How, you ask? The reasons all lie within the variables of ingredients, mixing technique, temperature, and equipment and baking time.

Ingredients The ingredients you use are extremely, extremely important in achieving your desired cookie. Doing something as small as using baking powder instead of baking soda or using cake flour instead of all-purpose flour can make a huge difference. Even the type of fat you use in your cookie will dramatically affect its outcome. The basic building blocks of most cookies are fat, flour, baking powder and baking soda, sugar, and eggs or other liquid.

Fats - The fats most often used in cookies are butter, margarine, shortening and oil. Fats play a major roll in the spread of your cookie. In other words, they help to determine if your cookie spreads out into a thin mass on the cookie sheet or pretty much keeps its original shape. Shortening, margarine and spreads are fairly stable so they will help cookies keep their original unbaked shape. Butter melts at a much lower temperature than the other solid fats, so cookies made with it will tend to spread out. And oil, since it already is a liquid at room temperature, produces cookies that keep their shape. The amount of fat also affects the cookies, you can basically think of it this way: More fat equals flatter and chewier to crispier cookies. Less fat equals puffier and more cake-like cookies.

Flour - Flour also affects how cookies bake and behave. Flours with a high protein content like bread and all-purpose flour will help to produce cookies that tend to be flatter, darker, and more crisp than their counterparts made with cake or pastry flour.

Baking Powder and Baking Soda - Baking powder and baking sodas are both leaveners with one main difference, baking powder contains an acidic ingredient (cream of tartar) and baking soda is, well, just baking soda. Baking powder produces lighter colored and puffier cookies than baking soda does. This is due to the fact that one keeps the dough acidic (baking powder) and one helps to neutralize the acidity (baking soda).

Sugars - The type of sugar and how much you use also plays a big role. White sugar will make a crisper cookie than brown sugar or honey. In fact, upon standing, cookies made from brown sugar will actually absorb moisture, helping to insure that they stay chewy. Thus the reason that most chocolate chip cookie recipes contain both brown and white sugars is that you get the best of both worlds! If you lower the amount of sugar called for in a cookie recipe the final baked cookie will be puffier than its high sugar counterpart.

Eggs and Liquids - Eggs and liquids can either cause cookies to puff up or spread. If egg is the liquid it will help to promote puffiness. Just a tablespoon or two of water or other liquid will help your cookies spread into flatter and crisper rounds. One thing to remember is the different effects of egg yolks and egg whites. Egg yolks will help to add moistness whereas egg whites tend to make cookies drier. To make up for the drying effect of the egg whites extra sugar is added. This is the reason that cookies made with just egg whites tend to be so sweet.

Mixing Technique
Cookies are not as delicate as cakes, but mixing still plays an important roll. The most important step in cookie mixing is the creaming step. This is the step where the fat and the sugar are beaten, mixed, rubbed, stirred, and mushed together until light colored and fluffy smooth. This helps to incorporate air into the batter, which you need if you want your baking soda and/or baking powder to work. Another important factor is not to overmix the dough. Once you combine the dry and wet ingredients, mix until just combined and no longer.

Temperature
Do not underestimate the roll temperature plays in baking cookies. Cookie dough that is chilled before baking will hold its shape and produce a slightly puffier cookie. Cookie dough that is at room temperature before baking will spread and flatten out while baking. So if you happen to have a very warm kitchen, it's a good idea to refrigerate the dough before you bake it.

Equipment and Baking Time
Different baking sheets and whether you grease the sheets or not will produce different results. A good baking sheet can make a big difference. Super thin baking sheets will cause the cookie bottoms to cook faster, sometimes resulting in burnt bottoms. Yuck! Insulated baking sheets allow air movement and will help to produce puffier cookies. If you want flat crisp cookies, your best bet is the standard semi-thick baking sheets that are available just about everywhere. If you grease your cookie sheets before baking, it will cause the cookies to spread out more but if you don't grease the sheets you run the risk of the cookies sticking to the sheets and making a big mess. A good and fairly inexpensive solution to this is parchment paper. Its non-stick surface makes for easy cookie removal and yet it doesn't cause the cookies to spread out.

Yes, it is true the longer you bake something the more cooked it will become. Cookies are usually baked from 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) to 400 degrees F (205 degrees C). Since cookies are small they tend to bake fast. A difference in temperature can completely change the amount of time you'll need to bake your cookie. If you want your cookies to be chewy, the trick is to slightly underbake them. If you want them to be crispy, bake them a little longer. The best way to do this is with an accurate oven thermometer, a timer and your watchful eye until you get it all down.

So How Do You Want 'Em? So now that you know a little bit about what goes into the cookie, how do you combine it all to come up with your favorite winning texture? Just follow these tips to get the cookie you desire. Don't be afraid to mix and match, your ideal might just lie somewhere between all the extremes. Start baking cookies - there's a texture to find!

Flat - If you want your cookies on the flat side, you can do some or all of the following things: Use all butter, use all-purpose flour or bread flour, increase the sugar content slightly, add a bit of liquid to your dough, bring the dough to room temperature before baking.

Puffy - If you like your cookies all light and puffy, try some of the following tricks: Use shortening or margarine and cut back on the fat, add an egg, cut back on the sugar, use cake flour or pastry flour, use baking powder instead of baking soda, refrigerate your dough before baking.

Chewy - If chewiness is your desire remove the cookies a few minutes before they are done, while their centers are still soft and not quite cooked through. The edges should be slightly golden but the middle will still look slightly raw. Use brown sugar or honey as a sweetener. Try using egg yolks instead of whole eggs, this will add some extra moistness to the cookies thus helping to be a bit more on the chewy side.

Crispy - For crisp and crunchy cookies, bake your cookies a few minutes longer than suggested and immediately remove them to wire racks to cool. Cookies made with all butter and a high amount of white sugar will also crisp up quite nicely. Another trick is to use bread flour.

from www.cookierecipes.com
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Old 12-30-1999, 07:33 PM
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cchiu...thanx for the tips, I copied them and filed them in my "Tiptionary" for future reference. I usually bake my cookies on parchment lined baking sheets with good results, but I bought these insulated cookie sheets at a Wilton tent sale because I wanted to try them. Nothing against Wilton products, but the insulated cookie sheets are now in a box waiting to be donated to a local resale shop.......
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Old 01-01-2000, 06:01 PM
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Woody,
I am with you, Wilton always has great ideas but their quality is not always the best. Their pans are not of the quality you would find from say a european company or even chicago aluminum!
cchiu,
Thanks for the cookie info!
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Old 01-05-2001, 07:19 AM
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Give me the old fashion cookie sheets anytime. I tried the insulated ones and they're not for me. Cookies are done when the bottom is brown or golden. You don't get this with insulated cookie sheets. Cookies are normally small pieces of dough or batter that need to be baked quickly. Even after you remove them from the oven, being so small, they will continue to bake just from the heat of the cookie sheet. A cookie is done, generaly, when the bottom is brown or golden brown. Forget what the top looks like. Check the bottoms.
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Old 01-05-2001, 01:03 PM
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I have used insulated cookie sheet pans for home use with mixed results. I have found that when they are "lightly" browned around the edges, they actually come out slightly overbaked -chocolate chip cookies, for instance. If I wait for the edges to turn brown, they will be crispy rather than chewy, so I have to be careful of that. Otherwise, they have been fine for just home stuff. At work I use regular heavy duty sheet pans with parchment.
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Old 01-05-2001, 03:55 PM
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I always read that light coloured shets and pans are prefered to dark one. If you look in a store, most of the pans and some sheets are only available in black. Is there any truth to this?
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Old 01-05-2001, 04:29 PM
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I use insulated for jelly rolls and also good for tuilles or thin butter cookies.
other than that it's the standard 1/2 sheets and parchment.
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Old 01-17-2001, 05:35 PM
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You can also try inverting the sheets so that you bake the cookies on the bottoms of them (no, you put them in the oven upside-down, silly). Sounds weird, but it works.
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What does that do?
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Old 01-29-2001, 01:54 PM
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I am firmly in the half sheet pan & parchment paper camp! My girlfriend has a catering biz and, as she is flour phobic, I will do cookies for her from time to time. I tried to buy a couple of fancy, true cookie sheets (read no sides). They were dark in color and charred my butter cookies. When I looked in and saw the disaster I yanked the sheet out of the oven. Because there were no sides on my fancy new cookie sheets, the charred cookies went everywhere! The next day I took my fancy cookie sheets back to the store and traded them in for some good ole' aluminum half sheet pans

If you do truly need a sheet without sides, inverting a half sheet pan, as MaryeO suggests, will do the trick.
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