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03-24-2008, 11:00 AM
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| | Burned Scones Two questions:
1. I made some buttermilk lemon-apricot scones using a recipe at the King Arthur website. Although tasting good, the scones were burned on the bottom. What's the problem here?
The scone batter was placed in a Chicago Metallic baking sheet well greased with peanut oil. The sheet was then placed on the bottom rack of my oven, actually it was placed on a baking stone. Was the stone too hot for this recipe?
2. Also has anyone ever eaten scones from TOOT SWEETS Bakery in Berkeley, Calif.? THAT"S the recipe I'd really like to get. Their scones are really moist instead of the dry and relatively crumbly ones that I've made from scratch and from mixes.
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03-24-2008, 01:00 PM
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| | I would say yes the stone was too hot and or the scones were in too long, considering the heat capacity of the stone.
How sure are you of your ovens accuracy? Why did you opt to use the stone as opposed to placing the baking sheet on the middle rack of the oven? How soon after the oven and stone were preheated did you place the scones in the oven?
All the questions are just some things you may want to consider when you attempt your next batch. | 
03-24-2008, 01:39 PM
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| | I allowed the stone to remain in the oven as a matter of convenience. Perhaps it should be removed and the scones with pan placed on the center rack.
Yes, the oven has, indeed, been calibrated using a quality digital oven thermometer. Sounds to me like the stone is the culprit. | 
03-24-2008, 04:23 PM
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| | scones.... I place my scones straight on the baking sheet, no oil no grease.....
no problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 400 about 12 / 15 minutes. qahtan | 
03-24-2008, 07:53 PM
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| | Puyallup Fair Scones.. Puyallup Fair Scones (Fisher Scones)
First, these scones are quick, easy. The ONLY way to eat these is warm with a big slab of butter and raspberry jam, just like they serve them at the fair!! Store them in an air tight container and they keep well.
2 1/2 cups unbleached all purpose flour
2 teaspoons baking powder
2 tablespoons sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
6 tablespoons shortening
3/4+2T cup milk
Sift and measure the flour. Re-sift with other dry ingredients. Work shortening into dry ingredients with the fingers. Add milk to mixture.
Turn out on to a floured board and divide into two equal pieces. Roll or pat each into a round and to the thickness of biscuits (3/4 inch to a full inch). Cut into wedge shaped pieces like a pie and bake about 15 minutes at 450 degrees on an ungreased baking sheet.
To serve like they do at the fair; split open but do not cut clear through. Fill with raspberry jam and close.
PS.. Qahtan.. Those look great.. | 
03-24-2008, 08:15 PM
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| | Two technique problems:
1. Baking stone
2. Bottom of the oven (nearest the heat source).
You weren't baking crusty bread or pizza, yet you used techniques that promoted crust. And crust you got.
It's worth a second to understand the difference between a stone and a rack. The stone transferred heat to the sheet (and the sheet to the scone) through a physical process called "contact conduction." It's a very efficient way to move energy from one thing to another. On a rack however, most of the heat going to the pan is transferred by a process called "convection." Convection is not nearly as efficient. The difference between the two methods is the difference between putting your hand in a hot oven and touching something, and putting your hand in a hot oven. Big difference!
So, next time: No stone and middle rack.
BDL | 
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
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| | Quote:
Originally Posted by boar_d_laze Two technique problems:
So, next time: No stone and middle rack.
BDL | thats what i was about to say. ... and also, just for the record.... fair scones suck. they are a disgrace to the world of scones. thats just my opinion of them tho. | 
03-25-2008, 07:12 AM
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| | THANKS ALL!!!!!
Placement of ungreased baking sheet in the middle of oven with no stone.
To RRCos: Is your Fisher recipe adaptable to the inclusion of dried bits of fruit? If so is there any alteration to the amount of each ingredient listed in your recipe? | 
03-26-2008, 10:57 PM
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| | Hello Koko puffs.. There is a variation with raisins, which called for omitting the 2 tablespoons of milk if a 1/2 cup of raisins were added to this recipe.. I didn't like raisins in the scones so I had left them out. | 
03-27-2008, 05:58 AM
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| | In Scotland (the reputed 'home' of scones!) we normally sprinkle a little flour on the baking tray, not oil. They never stick or burn. | 
07-12-2008, 08:48 AM
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| | Qahtan:
Can you please provide a recipe for your as scones pictured at this thread?
thanks,
-K | 
07-12-2008, 10:52 AM
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| | Scones..... At least the way I make them.
Scones
2 cups flour
1 ½ teaspoons baking powder
¼ cup soft butter
2/3 cup milk plus or minus
1 egg
sift flour and baking powder together. Blend in soft butter.
Beat egg and add to milk and stir into flour with a knife, do not stir to much.
Turn dough onto counter and knead 10 times, just enough to tidy the ball of dough.
Roll lightly to about ¾ - 1 inch, cut with cookie cutters place on dry cookie sheet
And bake at 425 till nice and golden on top 12/15 minutes.
It is better to at least double the recipe, and add 1/3 sugar to dough if you want sweet scones
You don't have to add the egg, it just enriches them, Don't be too fussy with them.
They are very easy ro make, and can be varied many way's, add a little grated cheese, or raisins, or what ever you fancy,
My grandchildren like them split. spread a little butter butter on each side, strawberry jam and a big dollop of cream, well they are growing kids. ;-))).
qahtan | 
07-12-2008, 11:10 AM
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| | THANK YOU! 8)
Is the flour sifted PRIOR to measuring to 2 cups are are 2 cups of flour sifter AFTER measuring out 2 cups? | 
07-12-2008, 11:18 AM
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| | Sifting the flour To be truthful. I dip and scoop 2 cups of flour into the bowl, add the dry ingredients and just swish it around with a fork. ;-))))
I find one does not have to be too exact...... PS do not work the dough too much, it's OK if it still a little sorta not quite mixed to look.
Just relax,and they will come out fine. qahtan | 
07-12-2008, 04:09 PM
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| | Scones Hi, We bake our scones on a cookie sheet with parchment. We brush the top with soymilk and sanding sugar. They have no eggs and are very good .Our customers love them. Hope that helps. If you need help call or e-mail me. Bye for now. Happy Baking!!
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