Go to ChefTalk.com  
Cooking ArticlesCookbook ReviewsCooking ForumsRecipesCooking Glossary  

Go Back   ChefTalk Cooking Forums > Food and Cooking Forums > Pastries and Baking General

Pastries and Baking General General discussion forum for all pastry and baking topics.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-11-2008, 08:05 AM
Registered User
Culinary Experience: I Just Like Food
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8
Default very hard short bread

Hello All

I have been playing in the kitchen with some shortbread recipes, family makes it alot over the holidays, and I want to join in the fun. However on the two recipes I have tried the end result is hard and very dry, not crumbly as short bread should be. The last recipe I used would not even need together, and I found myself adding more butter just to make a biscuit. I'm not sure what the issue is, I believe it is the recipes it self, but I don't know what to adjust to get melt in your mounth goodness, any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong.. My instinct says not enough butter.. Recipe last used below.

3 cups flour
1/2 cup sugar
1 pond butter, or a little over 1/2 cup.

whisk sugar and butter together until fluffy, then add the flour and fold until most of the butter and flour are together, then knead into a dough. (should be very forgiving)
Roll out and cut with cookie cutter, or press into shortbread ,mold and bake at 350 degrees F for 20min, or until edges are golden brown.

I followed this to a tee, up until the knead when it would not come together, then I started adding butter, I as well added more sugar, I love extra sweet. I did sprinkle with sugar, and poked holes with a forlk, but no good cookie came from this. Why?

Last edited by YummyBelly; 05-11-2008 at 08:06 AM. Reason: speeling error
Reply With Quote


  #2  
Old 05-11-2008, 11:36 AM
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Other
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 27
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YummyBelly View Post
Hello All

3 cups flour
1/2 cup sugar
1 pond butter, or a little over 1/2 cup.

?
The proportions here are off. By weight, shortbread (usually, there are varients, of course) is three parts flour, two parts butter, one part sugar, and a touch of salt.

So, three cups flour is about 12 ozs.
which means we'd expect 8oz of butter -- two sticks, a cup -- and four ounces of sugar, about 5/8 cup.

What you're getting sounds like you're using too much flour. You may also be kneading too much, letting the butter get too warm, or some other problem.

Incidentally, I like to use light brown sugar for shortbread, and not white.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-11-2008, 02:53 PM
boar_d_laze's Avatar
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Other
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Monroiva, CA
Posts: 983
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YummyBelly View Post
Hello All

I have been playing in the kitchen with some shortbread recipes, family makes it alot over the holidays, and I want to join in the fun. However on the two recipes I have tried the end result is hard and very dry, not crumbly as short bread should be. The last recipe I used would not even need together, and I found myself adding more butter just to make a biscuit. I'm not sure what the issue is, I believe it is the recipes it self, but I don't know what to adjust to get melt in your mounth goodness, any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong.. My instinct says not enough butter.. Recipe last used below.

3 cups flour
1/2 cup sugar
1 pond butter, or a little over 1/2 cup.

whisk sugar and butter together until fluffy, then add the flour and fold until most of the butter and flour are together, then knead into a dough. (should be very forgiving)
Roll out and cut with cookie cutter, or press into shortbread ,mold and bake at 350 degrees F for 20min, or until edges are golden brown.

I followed this to a tee, up until the knead when it would not come together, then I started adding butter, I as well added more sugar, I love extra sweet. I did sprinkle with sugar, and poked holes with a forlk, but no good cookie came from this. Why?
I both agree and disagree with dscheidt.

In agreement, one proportion is radically off. 1 pound of butter is not 1/2 cup -- and I suspect this is part of your problem. Each normal, American stick is 1/2 cup by volume and 4 oz by weight. 1 pound of butter is 2 cups. I have no idea how much a pond weighs, but I suspect it's more than a puddle and less than a lake.

In disagreement, the recipe proportions 3 volumes of flour to 1 of butter is on the "stiff" end of the normal range for butter, but also probably the most common proportion for shortbread. 2 volumes of flour to 1 of butter is very "short," and what cookie bakers called "meltaway." At the end of the day, this may be what you want. In any case, I have never seen or used a recipe calling for a 3:2 (by volume) ratio for shortbread. (Perhaps dscheidt is confusing weight with volume?)

So, your recipe with its 3 cups of flour needs between 1 to 1-1/2 cups by volume, which is 8 to 12 oz by weight, which is 2 and 3 sticks of butter to fit within the normal range.

Because we have no idea what your final ratios actually were, it's difficult to say whether the toughness resulted from proportional imbalance. I suspect not, actually. Just a guess (with a lot of between-the-lines reading), but it probably came from a combination of overworking and insufficient resting. Of course, the overworking itself was born in the bizarre proportion called for in your recipe. As the instructions said, the dough should be very soft and manageable -- very much like a pie crust. It should not be at all crumbly.

The best way to handle shortbread is to cream the butter very well, add all other ingredients except the flour, then add the flour in two or three stages with an eye toward using slightly less flour than the recipe calls for. Be careful not to overwork. Press the dough into a disk (or disks if it's a big recipe) and chill for at least half an hour to allow the gluten threads to relax. Roll out and cut into cookies or press into a pan and score, as you prefer. Shortbread is best baked in the 275F - 325F range. Watch your time carefully, the edges should either be not quite or just barely brown. Think more in terms of variations of shades of cream than "GBD."

If the ingredient list you gave was the entire list for your recipe, it's both dull and unforgiving. I'd like to see a little baking soda for tenderness, some salt and some vanilla (or something else) for flavor.

Good luck,
BDL

Last edited by boar_d_laze; 05-11-2008 at 04:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-12-2008, 08:39 PM
Registered User
Culinary Experience: I Just Like Food
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8
Default

Thanks so much.. I'm going to try this tomorrow, light brown sugar, what a nice compliment to sweeten up the cookie...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
this bread is as short as cottage cheese tmk Pastries and Baking General 5 02-20-2008 03:07 AM
short bread cookie dough keep sticking pastrycake Pastries and Baking General 4 11-07-2007 12:25 PM
I work hard for my money. so hard. Artameates Culinary Schools \ Culinary Students 1 06-09-2004 01:40 AM
Short Story kuan The Late Night Cafe (non-food/cooking discussion) 6 04-03-2003 07:48 PM
how hard is it to get in? cloudreacher Culinary Schools \ Culinary Students 1 11-29-2001 08:39 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
© 1998 - 2006 ChefTalk.com • All rights reserved

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119