drinks for staff??

[boosehound]

Originally Posted by siduri

This post was an eye opener. and very depressing.
fun = alcohol (huh?)
not drinking = prude (what?)
drinking heavily on the job (any job) = normal (phew!)
remind me not to eat in your restaurant

depressing? whats so depressing about this thread? please elaborate some more on that. fun can equal alcohol, it can compliment food your eating, it can hit the spot after a long day at any job, or it can simply just taste great. not drinking doesnt mean your a prude some people can drink others simply cant. i hardly call a shot, maybe 2 and a drink after all is said and done drinking heavily on the job. the season here is coming to an end, well in november anyway, but i am currently seeking new employment. the place i will interview at tomarrow(why im still up at 2am i havent a clue) i worked for breifly, they do not alloy drinking while your clocked in and once your clocked out your all set. and im totaly fine with that

[beefcheif]

Boosehound

I agree with some of your comments, I've worked a few resort's and the feeling is usually laid back, as compaired to 5 star city dining, however you do tend to get alot more turnovers on a resort...... captive audience i guess, so really working hard and fast is a necessity and therefor a winding down drink is exceptable.

As for drinking at the start or early in the night, i personally dont have a problem with it, and have never stopped staff from drinking if they feel they need to, however, if they are getting sloppy then i'll take exception to it, but lead by example, and all that.

As for the comments to occ health and saftey issues, a simple clause written into the employee contract can avoid any reprecussions oni the employer if the employee injures him/her self or other whilst under the influence of drugs/alchol...... and ALWAYS deny knowledge!!!!!

[oldschool1982]

Originally Posted by beefcheif

Boosehound

I agree with some of your comments, I've worked a few resort's and the feeling is usually laid back, as compaired to 5 star city dining, however you do tend to get alot more turnovers on a resort...... captive audience i guess, so really working hard and fast is a necessity and therefor a winding down drink is exceptable.

As for drinking at the start or early in the night, i personally dont have a problem with it, and have never stopped staff from drinking if they feel they need to, however, if they are getting sloppy then i'll take exception to it, but lead by example, and all that.

As for the comments to occ health and saftey issues, a simple clause written into the employee contract can avoid any reprecussions oni the employer if the employee injures him/her self or other whilst under the influence of drugs/alchol...... and ALWAYS deny knowledge!!!!!

There is no form of "Deniable culpability" or "Contract" that would save you from loosing everything if one of your employees hurt themself on the job whilst under the influence and found a 2 bit Lawyer with half their wits to challenge your "contract". That form of contract is illegal and I have known a couple dozen Lawyers that would have a field day with it. Plus with things in print on a site such as this .... Good luck.

[beefcheif]

what happened to "employer takes no responsability for injury orrcured whilst under the influence of alcahol" or something like that?

anyway im not condoning the act, but a drink whilst cleaning up.......... especially after getting slammed.....

[oldschool1982]

The same thing that happened to "Honestly Judge, They sure looked 21 when I served that drink to them!" or "They weren't that drunk when they left my restaurant?!"

Usually things said just before the State pulls your liquor license or at the Dram Shop law/Civil liabilities hearing.

[foodpump]

Oh geez, beefchief, listen to oldschool. I remember once working for an a-hole chef who insisted that staff cannot use the phone--incoming or outgoing. New salad girl starts, a party girl, phone rings for her, her best friend on the other end, "Listen it's me, Sandara, I know I'm not supposed to call, but I'll take all the blame"....

No such a thing as a clause in the contract about employee being responsible and the employer off the hook if an accident happens. If you ever had to deal with the local Worker's Comp board or Labour board, they'll laugh in your face, toss out the written contract and find you guilty of keeping the employee on when he was inebriated/stoned. It's their rules, not yours. You're the boss, the employee is under your supervision, it's your fault.

Don't argue with this one, you can't win, and you'll only look foolish arguing. This isn't my opinion or theory or anything. It comes from dealing with accidents, stoned/drunk people, dealing with the rules, case officers, fines, lawyers/union reps, and the usual fallout that happens. Take heed, because if you don't the excrement will impact the impellor when you least expect it and cause you alot of grief.

[beefcheif]

Point taken.

[prochefjim1]

Food cost may be great, but liability can cost everything including time in state facility. Loss of everything. Is it worth everything including freedom?

[Bart]

Coke. All we get is a pint of water or cordial orange. Tea and coffee is for breaks only and a free beer at the end of the shift. the second is charged. drinking on shift is rewarded by instant dismissal.

[lifer]

drinking ON shift is completely unacceptable! i like a drink as much as anyone else.my staff are allowed anything from pop to ice tea ,coffee drinks, no charge but as far as booze goes. after your shift.full price. anyone found buzzed high anything on shift immediate dissmissal. and ive had to do it to friends and ive seen it ruin lives.my 2 cents

[Chad Aaland]

Why ask for opinions if you're just going to get defensive when people give them?

[Jim]

Chad... FYI... this is an older thread and the 'attack-mode' issue has been resolved. Good thread, though.

[Chad Aaland]

Ok. I'm not arguing either way for or against the issue...but If I were to I would side with the zero tolerance people. I have been known to take some swigs when making sauces though.

[Jayme]

Boozehound- I read through this thread and, yes, the replys went in a different direction than you were requesting originally (your question- how to get the new intern to drink more than just a couple of shots with you and the crew?) I don't think everyone who replied was slamming you, they just were offering their opinion.... since most who replied, did not support the idea of drinking on shift or on-premises after shift-- they could not offer suggestions to get the intern to drink more. Obviously what is done in your local and in your establishment, is your business and no one but local law enforcement is going to change that. But I have one question? why did you feel the need to get the intern to drink more? you are asking us to repect your opinion of drinking on the job- so why did you not respect your interns right to NOT drink excessively???
(btw... I don't drink, but I will party with friends who do- we all laugh, talk, and get stupid together- only difference is, I can drive everyone home at the end of the night. So I do respect those who drink- I just choose not to)

[boosehound]

i thought this was a dead thread! haha. anyway. im not at that establishment anymore. havent been for i dont know.... 6 months. i took a new job with more to do and less to drink. not to put the last place down. that all said, ill answer your question to an extent. so, no one likes a party pooper! and in the event of one you try to persuade them otherwise. and aparently i have a good power of peruasion. besides if the person said they realy realy didnt want to i would have backed off. in the end everyone makes there own decisions. that all said. the thread didnt go in the direction i thought it would and thats fine. although everyone probably thinks im an alcoholic on this board, in the end it realy doesnt matter. i got a lot of insight from a lot of people. so ill leave this thread with a quote from one of the most talented cinematic performers of film history.

" I let my drinking do the talking" - Humphry Bogart