e-coli outbreak

[Jeebus]

Originally Posted by Mikeb

This is why it's better to buy from local producers. We buy from a producer that has a farm minutes away from the city, all organic, picked with care. The people who pick the lettuces are the same people who deliver it to our back door.

absolutely

[kuan]

Makes me wonder about salad greens.

[deltadoc]

Originally Posted by kuan

Makes me wonder about salad greens.

Yeah, we're back down here in Rochester, and last night they whipped out the Romaine and asked me to make my balsamic vinagrette. It was with great trepidation that I ate that salad last night, but then I figure I still got the e. coli in me for up to 5-8 days according to the nurse's line at cigna, so maybe I'm immune to any further trouble!

We see the gastroenterologist in 45 minutes, and see what she has to say!

doc

[deltadoc]

The Mayo gastroenterologist says most people don't have to worry much about the e. coli unless there's blood in the stool or vomit.

She also says since we're feeling fine today, we're a-ok, and that it is true that the remnants of the bacteria actually do take 5-8 days to eliminate completely from your system.

Also noted that the Natural Foods in California's Organic spinach was not contaminated and it was from their regular spinach operation located in a different factory.

We're done here, wife doesn't have cancer. YEAH!

doc

[Free Rider]

Originally Posted by chef_oz

I trashed +20lbs 5/4/2lbs bgs. of clean baby spinach on friday. What makes me more madd is this the tomato market.. "The markets continue to escalate due to very tight supplies. We do not expect any true supply or price relief until mid October or possibly early November. Romas and Grapes remain especially tight. Overall quality is poor to fair so please order only what you need and keep your inventories tight and turning. In the east, Quincy production is expected to begin within the next 2-3 weeks with improved volumes anticipated by the end of October. However, reduced numbers of growers and planted acreage will make the deal this year less of a factor than in the past. In the west, Mature Green production has practically been knocked out by past excessive heat issues; we expect a modest bump in volume (but nothing significant) within the next two weeks out of the northern San Joaquin Valley. In addition, some harvesting crews are bypassing fields to salvage what small amounts of good product there is because it is simply not worth it economically. Vine Ripes are currently in the hands of a few CA growers who can not begin to satisfy overwhelming demand. Baja did sustain some heavy damage due to Hurricane John after excessive heat was already causing issues; John dumped up to 15” of rain is some areas. We expect Baja Romas to begin harvesting around mid October. The overall situation is so poor that shippers have enacted “Act of God” status on contracts." :quoted from another forum:

The Western Growers Association has only about 25 percent of the workers it needs to pick this year's crops. A lot won't get picked because of the problem. I could go on for a bit about this, especially the tomato market, but I don't want to hijack the thread.

[phoebe]

Originally Posted by deltadoc

We're done here, wife doesn't have cancer. YEAH!

doc

Doc, I must have missed something, but I had no idea you were at the Mayo because there was a chance your wife had cancer. What a relief! Congratulations on the great outcome, and here's wishing you both continued good health (E coli outbreaks aside )

[lentil]

Yes, Doc, congratulations on your wife's good news!

I had 4 cases of mesclun delivered on Thursday- used one on a catering job on Friday, 2 on another job Saturday, and couldn't use the last one on Sunday because the quality was bad. Called the supplier today for credit and he said DON'T USE ANY OF IT!! IT HAS SPINACH IN IT!! He said he called everyonek on Friday, but must have missed me. What a moron. I should have know there was spinach in it, but I never gave it a thought.

[Jim]

Peculiar to me that I haven't heard anybody link the e.coli outbreak with some form of terrorism. From what I know about e.coli, it is most often associated with undercooked ground beef. And, it seems to me, that if you want to launch a 'ground war,' food is certainly a prime place to start.
I really hope I am wrong.

[lentil]

Originally Posted by Jim

Peculiar to me that I haven't heard anybody link the e.coli outbreak with some form of terrorism. From what I know about e.coli, it is most often associated with undercooked ground beef. And, it seems to me, that if you want to launch a 'ground war,' food is certainly a prime place to start.
I really hope I am wrong.

I heard today that it was NOT linked to terrorism. Of course that came from the government- depending upon how much you trust them is up to you.

[Greg]

Originally Posted by Jim

Peculiar to me that I haven't heard anybody link the e.coli outbreak with some form of terrorism. From what I know about e.coli, it is most often associated with undercooked ground beef. And, it seems to me, that if you want to launch a 'ground war,' food is certainly a prime place to start.
I really hope I am wrong.

Yes, most often contaminated undercooked beef is the main culprit. Due to the use of animal waste as fertilizer on some crops and the pursuant run-off(probably amongst other factors), any vegetable served raw can also be a source of an outbreak. There was one here about 10 years ago that was traced to unwashed parsley. A particular melon is also a known culprit; can't remember if it's honeydew or cantaloupe.

Personally, I'm glad no one has raised the terrorism question. Not that it shouldn't be looked into, but we do not need yet another way for the government to play on people's fears.

[castironchef]

IIRC, it was cantaloupe.

[slo_ted]

Sprouts have also been implicated in outbreaks in the past.

[Andrew563]

I am looking to source locally.

[siduri]

Originally Posted by Jim

Peculiar to me that I haven't heard anybody link the e.coli outbreak with some form of terrorism. From what I know about e.coli, it is most often associated with undercooked ground beef. And, it seems to me, that if you want to launch a 'ground war,' food is certainly a prime place to start.
I really hope I am wrong.

I think the only "terrorism" involved is the terrorism of lobbyists and private interests that make human safety secondary to profits. The small restaurant owner is going to pay in lawsuits for what the big producers can get away with because of friends in their legislatures. Same for mad cow. Same for hormones in meat. Same for practically anything with big money behind it.

[shroomgirl]

Due to the use of animal waste as fertilizer on some crops and the pursuant run-off(probably amongst other factors),


human waste too.....I've got a farmer friend that posts signs for her workers telling them to use the indoor bathroom facilities, "no pooping in the fields"