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Old 05-16-2001, 08:06 AM
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Which is the more important aspect of a quality dish? Is it the passion that the chef puts into it or the quality of the ingredients.

Just to declare my stand at the outset of the debate: Passion rules. A chef who's got the love will get the best ingredients, or if not, make the mediocre ones great. No love and you'll probably go for cut rate stuff, or if you luck into quality ingredients and don't care, the food will **** anyway.

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PASSION!!!




Let me explain: Even with the best of ingredients, mediocre results might occur if the passion isn't there!

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Old 05-16-2001, 12:50 PM
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Passion.

I agree totally. Even with mediocre ingredients passion inspires the improvision of said ingredients into something so much more. If you have the freshest and best ingredients then passion can lead the way to spectacular results.

Definitely Passion!!!!
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Passion. You can tell when someone is cooking because they HAVE to and when someone is PASSIONATE and CARES! The finest ingredients always help, but...
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Passion comes first, way before the ingredients...for all the aforementioned reasons!

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Passion (nice to be around my own kind)
you know the others think we're nuts or perfectionists.
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Passion help in any job. You can not created a fantastc dish with poor ingredients. So I'll have to say that first you need ingredients of the best quality. Then use your passion to transform them into something spectacular.
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Passion and creativity. Absolutely.


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You need to love your food and follow "fresh is best" as the 11th commandment. So in my opinion you need to mix both passion and quality, to create a really great dish.
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Dear Devotay:

What a great question!

My vote goes for passion but good olive oil helps too!
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My first thought when I read Devotay's question was Jeni's story about the spoiled shrimps. There is not enough passsion to turn bad shrimps into a great dish, make that an edible one.
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It would never enter any chef's mind who is truly Passionate to use spoiled food to begin with, Iza.



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OK, lets no talk spoiled shrimp, lets talk powdered mashed potato mix. A chef with passion can use milk, roasted garlic, herbs, whatever to make the best whipped potatoes. While a chef who doesnt care may start with Idahos finest, and screw it up.
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The point I was trying to make is that the best chef in the world can not turn bad shrimp into good one no matter how passionate he is. Hence my choice of ingredients over passion.
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Spoiled shrimp? Of course not. Frozen? Yes.

Great debate! Keep it up, gang!

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