Professional Chefs Forum Discuss with other professional chefs the latest trends, kitchen and employee issues and more.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #16  
Old 06-08-2006, 12:10 AM
Andrew563's Avatar
Andrew563 Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: washington state
Posts: 199
Default

With some of the requests I get, i swear most people think ketchup, mustard , tartar, ranch, and a1 are the mother sauces.
__________________
My life, my choice.....
Reply With Quote


  #17  
Old 06-08-2006, 12:57 AM
Chefred Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Professional Chef
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4
Default CIA 5 mother (grand) sauces

the CIA (culinary institute of america) says the 5 mother sauces are

1. espagnole
- Demi
2.White sauce
- veloute
- bechamel
3. Tomato
4. hollandaise (emulsion)
-mayo
5-burre blac

Chefred
any other grads out there
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-08-2006, 06:46 AM
kuan's Avatar
kuan Offline
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Retired Chef
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,718
Default

Another reason why Beurre Blanc is not a mother sauce. It goes in and out of style!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-08-2006, 07:23 AM
cjdacook Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Professional Chef
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: straits of juan de ***a
Posts: 44
Default

This was my method for learning (memorizing) them in culinary school - and it sticks with me today (many, many years later!!)

Just think - Virgin BETH

Veloute
Bechamel
Espanol
Tomato
Hollandaise
__________________
cj
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-08-2006, 07:52 AM
kuan's Avatar
kuan Offline
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Retired Chef
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,718
Default Beurre Blanc Mother Sauce

Here's a pic of some bear blanc. You see the mother sauce and the baby sauces next to each other.

Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-08-2006, 10:46 AM
Pete's Avatar
Pete Offline
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Professional Chef
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Fond du Lac, WI
Posts: 3,271
Default

LOL!!!!! I'd hate to see how you visualize Pasta Puttenseca!
__________________
From Man's sweat and God's love, beer came into the World-Saint Arnoldus
http://www.onceachef.com/
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-08-2006, 02:51 PM
Nentony Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Owner/Operator
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Satellite Beach, Fl
Posts: 181
Default

Oh My, Thats Really funny!!

Tony
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 06-08-2006, 03:10 PM
cape chef's Avatar
cape chef Offline
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Culinary Instructor
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: CT.
Posts: 5,228
Blog Entries: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kuan
Here's a pic of some bear blanc. You see the mother sauce and the baby sauces next to each other.

Just another reason I love cheftalk!!!
__________________
Baruch ben Rueven / Chanaבראד, ילד של ריימונד והאלאן
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-08-2006, 07:55 PM
Al_Dente Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 29
Default

like the difference between concrete and simply adding dirt to a puddle of mud....the latter lacks construction. lol
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-09-2006, 12:05 AM
jbeisser's Avatar
jbeisser Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: At home cook
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1
Question Great thread.

Hi all - Its my first post! I am organizing a cooking series on just sauces to amateur cooks (that includes me!) I feel I really know the at-home cooking mindset but do you think the basic concepts and techniques for 3/5 can be taught in less than an hour? And, by phone? It's one-one-one and there is ample follow-up to the introduction. Thanks for the input.
Jenn
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-09-2006, 04:09 AM
Blade55440 Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Line Cook
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 237
Default

My instructor made us memorize the original mother sauces, but then also pounded into our heads that people are now calling em "white sauces, brown sauces, and emulsion sauces".

The original 5 were:

Bechamel
Espagnole
Tomato
Hollandaise
Veloute

(I cheated and remembered "Beth V." as a memorization tool)

Now-a-days, just like I said earlier it's not those base 5 it's:

white sauce
brown sauce
emulsion sauce

The "new" classification tends to count more emulsion sauces than before.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-10-2006, 02:08 PM
ED BUCHANAN's Avatar
ED BUCHANAN Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Culinary Instructor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PALM BEACH FLORIDA
Posts: 2,243
Default sauce department

Both Beurre Blanc and Hollandaiseand Bernaise are all butter sauces. Hollandaise and Bernaise are emulsions(as is mayonaise) where Beurre Blanc is not. Reason Beurre Blanc is so popular because most cooks know how to make it and they have trouble or are afraid of the emulsions that they will break. Espanole is a derivitive or basic brown sauce of demi glace(half glaze) or glace d viand full glaze, which is not usually found in kitchens anymore. It starts with about 10 gallons of good brown stock cooked down over days till the contents will fill about a half of quart measure.
Veloute is simply Bechamel with the addition of stock of some kind. chef ed
__________________
CHEFED
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-10-2006, 02:12 PM
ED BUCHANAN's Avatar
ED BUCHANAN Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Culinary Instructor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PALM BEACH FLORIDA
Posts: 2,243
Default demi

You are correct Espanole is a basic brown sauce derived from a Demi Glace. chef ed
__________________
CHEFED
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-10-2006, 04:45 PM
Someday Offline
Registered User
Culinary Experience: Line Cook
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Montpelier, VT
Posts: 222
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ED BUCHANAN
You are correct Espanole is a basic brown sauce derived from a Demi Glace. chef ed
Demi Glace is traditionally derived from Espagnole. Classic demi is a mixture of equal parts espagnole and veal stock, reduced to the proper consistency. Nowadays, we generally refer to any reduced and/or fortified veal stock as demi.

Is buerre blanc a classic mother sauce? No. But I'm ok with it being considered a modern mother sauce, a la Brown, White and emulsion. That sounds like a good way to update the traditional thinking of a mother sauce.

Ed, Buerre Blanc IS an emulsion. Butter itself is an emulsion (fat suspended in water), so buerre blanc is simply a way to "melt" the butter while maintaining the natural emulsion of the butter.

Veloute is not bechemel with stock. Bechemel is milk, thickened with roux, and simmered with an onion piquet until the flour taste is cooked out. Veloute is made with white stock (chicken, veal, or fish) and roux.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06-12-2006, 07:50 AM
kuan's Avatar
kuan Offline
ChefTalk Moderator
Culinary Experience: Retired Chef
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,718
Default

If you call beurre blanc a mother sauce then be prepared to call beurre rouge a mother sauce as well. How about mayonnaise then, can you call that a mother sauce?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Beurre manie question LabCook Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion 8 11-15-2008 03:21 AM
Mother sauces? Stocks? albadusk Professional Chefs Forum 16 07-27-2008 09:55 AM
Mother Sauces -Cp Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion 6 09-01-2007 04:35 PM
fromage blanc bouland Recipes 2 12-01-2001 11:17 PM
Alternative Beurre Blanc Surfer2 Food & Cooking Questions and Discussion 10 07-06-2000 01:21 PM