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Old 10-05-2006, 09:15 PM
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Default I believe the operative word was "illegal"...

For ages it was easy to cross the border. (Which won't apparently be a whole lot longer thanks to "Dubya B" ...totally off topic) BUT the reality is a US$ stretches a lot futher than a Peso. (or used to anyway)

It was easy for people to come here (meaning California), get a job picking, cleaning or whatnot without papers. Below minimum wages, cost of living was low...

Decades later it's an entrenched fact of life. Call it a kind of ferfdom where the employers here can/did hold workers implied hostage because of being illegal, meaning they could pay them less than minimum wage, <which is far more than what they'd get in little "East Jesus, Mexico" anyway...(this is coming from living in So. California for half of my life)>

Illegals paid under the table don't pay into the 'system', like income tax, SS, and whatnot being...well...illegal. This makes the 'employer' complaiscent and used to getting cheap help...meaning they don't want to pay someone who's legal to do the same work for much higher wages. By "legal" meaning people who taxes, money towards healthcare, SS, etc. Why should they when illegals are plentiful?

I am really insulted that somewhere down the line it has been implied (No doubt to justify people enterting the States without a 'green card') that people who legally live here in the US won't do the 'implied' s**t jobs done by "illegal imigrants".

What it boils down to is illegals can be bought cheap. This has driven the pay for certain tasks into the dumpster. Why hire someone that is born here or legally living here for 2x what a cheap labor illegal will provide?

It's all about money.

I am so incredibly insulted. In my 50+ years I've been a maid, I've done housekeeping, I AM a FRIGGIN COOK, I've done yard cleaning, landscaping..But making it sound like we, meaning people who are born here or legally imigrated won't "DO" the implied s**t jobs just to make support for illegals sound justified is way beyond my comprehension.

Oh, friggin please...

Employers pay c**p wages because that's what they CAN pay to someone who is here and afraid of deportation and once they're used to that they want to extend that over the entire work force.

Before you all jump on me, think about it...

April
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Old 10-05-2006, 11:33 PM
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It shouldnt really matter who you work with. The goal of the kitchen is to combine efforts for the guest's benefit.
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:05 AM
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Question Different folks have different experiences due to varying regions and markets so...

In and around the various Cities, Towns and States that I have opened or operated restaurants I heard very frequently from people (and not just the employees I was around) "You couldn't pay me enough to do that job" or "You don't pay me enough so I'm not doing that" and how about "I ain't makin squat here but when I get a real job that's when things will be different". News flash it is a real job!

Anyhow there are many variations to these statements, mostly content, and the only "accent" I ever heard from the person speaking was "Regional US Dialect". Anyone that had an accent that was "Latin" in nature never complained to me. This includes all the "WOP's" (By the way this means With Out Papers and is not just limited to my not so distant Italian ancestry )

I would gladly trade any (and almost all in some cases) George, Tom , Dick or Harry for just a handfull of the Jorges, Hectors, Ernestos, Juan Pablo Garcias I had woring for me.

If you don't have the issue in your region or area of finding commited, reliable, hardworking locals then that is a tremendous thing. Unfortunately that woul have been a very rare find in many of the places I have been.

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Old 10-06-2006, 08:22 AM
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April, illegal aliens pay an awful lot into the system, especially Social Security. It was in the tens of billions of dollars last year. How? Well, they use fake Social Security numbers and the SSA knows they're fake. The money collected goes into the "Social Security Earnings Suspense File". One of the reasons politicians are so against amnesty, guest worker programs or simply processing the visas in a reasonable time is that the free money they're collecting that never has to be paid back would evaporate as it did during the last amnesty.

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Old 10-06-2006, 08:58 AM
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Most people don't have a clue. I love when people get up on the soap box and start throwing around the word illegal. We made it legal.
FreeRider is is spot on about the SS
The most halarious thing is when peop0le start talking about the "illegals" that don't pay into the system. WAKE UP!!!!! The poor and the rich are in the system and the middle class is footin the bill. Are you people living under a rock?
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