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Old 05-15-2008, 02:25 PM
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I love to cook and I aspire to be a chef one day..then I suddenly realized, I have heard the terms for different types of cooks/chefs but I have no real idea what the titles really mean?
line cook
sous chef
head chef chef steward

I'm sure there are more...can someone tell me them and a little about them?

Also, what kind of job would I be looking at if I had one?
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Good question. The owner of the resturant calls me the sous chef. I say I'm the line cook. If I have a "chef" title it would be cold plate chef.I do all the salads & dressings. The prep cook can run circles around me She's good and would be actually the closest thing we have to a sous chef. A sous chef should be able to run the kitchen in the absence of the exec. chef.

I guess we're all cooks
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:56 PM
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I'm a cook by trade, a Chef by responsibility.
Traditionally the title Chef is earned by training and certification.
The lines have blurred, and a Chef with certification is just that, a Certified Chef.
These days, a restaurant owner can call himself, or anyone in his employ, Chef.
I do not consider myself in the same class as many Chef's in this forum, but I am the chief of my kitchen, so I believe the title is warranted.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:19 PM
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You can look up the brigade system to get official titles but as has been said there are blurred lines.

Derek and I could each be called one of the following things:

chef de partie - we are each in charge of our stations
garde manger - we are each working pantry
line cook - I am not sure about Derek but I have to cook fish and sear fois
gras for my station.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:28 PM
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...Derek and I could each be called one of the following things: .....
Good points. And all that is subject to change in the heat of battle. Especially if for some horrable reason a fellow cook "goes down"
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I believe I misspelled your name good sir... DIRK and I hold similar positions although I am sure somewhere someone named Derek also does.
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I believe I misspelled your name good sir... ......
No biggie You can tell I was ticked off
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Does the restaurant you work at have a website?
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In America a "chef" is anyone who cooks. In a kitchen the "chef" is someone you're payed to say "yes" to. Chef means "boss" in French. The chef is the boss. The chef de cuisine is the big boss. Some kitchens have an assistant boss (or bosses) called (a) sous chef(s). It's really that simple. In the kitchen, everyone else is a cook. If you ask a cook what he does, (s)he'll usually say, "I'm a chef, well I'm a cook." Friends and family always refer to their cook friends and relatives as "professional chefs." Always.

By usage the sentence, "He's a chef" is as meaningless as, "She's a gourmet cook."

Take a look at Chef - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The descriptions of archaic station responsibilities in this article are as good as any and better than most. That being said, the kitchens described in this article probably don't exist outside of the very largest restaurants. Typically those are hotels or chains. Chain restaurant kitchens are only loosely organized around traditional brigade -- in that they're generally pushing some sort of theme food off on their customers and the kitchens are organized around the specific menu. Hotels with "fine dining" may be the last refuge of the true brigade.

In most modern kitchens the brigade roles are very blurred. There are also modern titles. For instance, the grill/roast station is called "turn and burn;" the saute station is called "hot pan," and most line cooks spend most of their time cooking hot pan; plating is usually done by the most senior chef in the kitchen at what's called "the hot plate;" some sauces are made to order at the saute station, but many (if not most) are made during prep by anyone or any number of people of various job descriptions -- and so forth.

The term "executive chef" always tickles me. Toque and a briefcase, I guess. Sous-chef might be the most elastic description of all. In some kitchens they're "men, equipment, time-cards and ordering" and almost never cook except to fill in for an absence or a rush. In other kitchens, the sous-chef handles more volume than anyone else.

The old brigade system worked best for kitchens with varied menus turning several hundreds of covers a night. That's seldom true of fine dining anymore; and most good kitchens are organized around the principle of whatever works best and cheapest.

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Does the restaurant you work at have a website?
yep, but I gotta find it I'll try to PM you on Monday. I'll get it tonight.

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I was a cook for 15 years and worked as a "chef" then I spent 4 years at college and became a chef. I then became a chef snob for a while, until i figured(for my own way of thinking, since my 2 older sons are not college trained, but successfull chefs) that a chef is a respected leader in the kitchen. No matter how large or small. There are plenty of self taught genius's out there.
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means "Chief" in French and has nothing to do with cooking except for the fact that the "Chief of Food" at a restaurant is called the Chef de Cuisine or Chef for short.

Americans do make the mistake of equating a Chef with a Cook, which clearly must piss of any Non-Cooking French Chef...we should therefore keep up the good work.
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Default I pretty much agree w/ BDL's synopsis

of the classical brigade and various positions. Although all kitchens are slightly different, there are generalizations that may or may not pertain to the majority of kitchens. As per my lengthy post on the subject before- a lot of it depends on the size of the kitchen, type of service, staffing budget and even the region.

Re; region, for instance, I have never heard of or used several of the staffing terms that BDL refers to- I've been in regions where the more traditional terminology is used- though I don't doubt that they are frequently used in his geographical region. I've worked in the mid-west, on the east coast and in Alaska & Canada. It appears BDL's region is Cali- which would explain the diversity of terms.

One last item- many chain restaurants don't even have what traditionally has been called a "chef". They now hire "kitchen managers". There are a number of reasons for this, but most stem from the fact that in recruiting the chain executives tend to seek applicants w/ keen business experience and perhaps even a degree to run kitchens and lead staff- rather than those with keen cooking know-how. As referred to in my last post- these chains tend to have corporate chefs who rotate from store-to-store who make most menu/recipe decisions.

One thing is for sure- for someone whose passion is food, within our little sub-culture in this big ole world, there are plenty of options!
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