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Old 01-21-2002, 06:04 PM
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Write down everything(!!!!!!!). Protect yourself (additional unemployment insurance payments don't help the bottom line).
Be clear to everyone about your goals. (sounds like you've got a knack for that one. Good Job!)
Clearly define everyone's role in driving your business. (Especially yours!)
<An owner offering to peel shrimp could be perceived as micro-management.>
After all, you are the owner.
Go for what you believe and be as straight with him as you are with all of us.
Don't forget, you are the owner.
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Old 01-21-2002, 07:39 PM
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Almost wish I was back in Pa. This boy needs to be let go. Do him a favor. You are a nice person. Get him a new job. I think he could stand a few lessons from some other Chefs. I reccomend getting him a job at Les Halles Brasserie. Tony will teach him a couple of lessons. Or put him in a nice big hotel. Let him tell those owners it's his kitchen. Boy I'd pay to see that.
Much though I hate to admit it society today has become so litigious that you really do have to cover yourself. Just document everything to date like Panini and CC suggest, and if he thinks he can get over on you and I truly don't think he has the brains to then he won't have a Jambon to stand on. I think when push comes to shove though he'll turn, put his tail between his legs (and hopefully someones foot!) and slime away like the scum he is. Afterwards feel free to send his address and I'll be glad to send him a written copy of the boards opinion of him, or at least mine!
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Old 01-21-2002, 08:36 PM
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Hey Angelica keep your head up and a smile on your face . You have been given tons of good advice on this thread with your dilema . Confrontation in life is difficult , no matter what the forum , but this is your biz you have decided to get into and like its been said it shall be run the way you see fit in the end . This chef of yours is the ultimate example of the old class chef bullies who felt that only they know what people want and are so afraid of change that they attempt to protect there positions by creating an enviroment of fear amongst the other employees , including the owner . Your ultimate descision will probably be to have to terminate this person but do not be saddened by this descision cause you will actualy bring the other employees closer to your hearts desire . Right now you need to find a chef to replace the one you have and also like has been mentioned you must document all the bad things this chef does and I would go so far as to verbaly counsel ( document this with wittnesses) , and then give written progressive counseling . From the attitude and behavior of this person ( I use the term chef lightly here )
you shall not have a problem getting rid of chef and bringing some peace to your establishment . Remember when you hire a chef that not only are culinary skills needed but as I have told people in interviews a chef needs to be like a coach on a team ,
always willing to try new ideas to win and realizing that it takes everybody on the team working together to win . This boils down to happy employees , satisfied customers , and a profit in your bank account . Finaly , never allow another human being to yell at you . This is wrong and to me totaly unaccectptable behavior . Of course this is just my opinion ...........................
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I agree with everything written before me but I also see alot of worry for you. Hey, the guys a jerk and probably should be fired but you are and should be worried about how that will effect your place.

First thought, can his sous produce the same quality (after all these years the kitchen should run perfect when he's not there)? What I'm leading to is are you covered if you need to loose him?Will anyone taste a difference? If not, this gives you ALOT more power and time to search for the right chef.

I think just firing the guy could be a risk, many restaurants are made or broken on the quality of their chef. So I would think things thru.

Also, you need to seperate yourself from your staff. Although I agree in team spirit and a good working place. YOU AREN'T A PART OF THE TEAM, YOUR THE LEADER OF THE TEAM. You need to be fair to EVERYONE (including giving weight to your chefs decisions).

Now, what I know from dealing with people like how you described your chef is their ruled by FEAR. They'll only dig in harder when their scared. He's set in his ways because it's his comfort zone and probably he doesn't even know how to change at this point. You handled things wrong when you made it him against you and the staff. I'd stop right now and have a heart to heart with him. YOU change YOUR appoarch completely, appolgize for any embarassement you've caused him. Tell him you expect for him to NEVER do anything in the future to embarasse you.

From this day forward I'd make this a place run by management. As chef he is a manager. If you also have a front end manager they will also have in put. But if you run your restaurant as a democracy you'll never win!

Deal with any menu changes in private. ALL BUSINESS activity happens in private! NEVER, EVER IN FRONT OF WAIT STAFF or Kitchen help! When you deal with you people everyone doesn't have to know everyone elses business. Don't tell the staff what you and the chef discuss. Plus the chef doesn't need to know the fine details of what the front end is doing unless it effects him.

Sorry I think you have a scared person on your hands and I'd play with working things out the best I could before firing him , IF HE'S THE REASON THE BUSINESS IS GOOD. Cause lets face it, people deal with bad service but you never get repeat business with bad food. If this guy has created loyal repeat customer, I'd try to work things out. I think you need to do some changing in how you handle HIM. But I'm not justifing his bad behavior (and I wouldn't live with it indefinetly) just trying to show you that you could have something to loose....?
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Old 01-23-2002, 07:05 PM
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You are the owner, and he is just an employee. Doesn't matter if he is the chef, when it comes down to it he is just an employee and should abide by your decisions, whether he likes them or not. And, on top of that, as the chef, needs to publicly agree with you, even if he doesn't agree privately. It is always important for management and owners to stand united. Employees can always smell dissention among the ranks.

If he doesn't wish to abide by your decisions then get rid of him. You can't do this immediately, unless you don't mind paying unemployement. Every time he acts out of line write him up for insubordination. That way you have a paper trail to protect yourself after you fire. But you must make a stand on way or another. He must be given an ultimatum. If not, you risk losing control of all your employees. They will sense your weakness, and believe me, many will prey on it, if you don't send a strong statement immediately.

A few things just to consider though. He has been there for many years, and you are not only new to the restaurant, but new to the business also. I'm sure he is testing you, to see what you are made of. Don't allow him to back you into a corner, or you have lost his test and will never be able to control. Stand up to him now, show no weakness and he may fall into line. You also say that you have bought new equipment. Did you consult him at all before buying it? Chefs love new "toys", but one thing that is hard for us is to give up our control over the kitchen sometimes. Buying new equipment, even with the best of intentions, without talking to the chef about what he needs can be a slap in the face to some. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending this guy. He does seem to be quite a bully, but he may be also just defending his territory from a takeover. Again, this is how he may see it. Whether he likes it or not though, you are the owner and he will need to fall into line or leave. Just some "food for thought".

As for changing things, everyone needs a little shaking up sometimes, and people do crave new things. But other times, people enjoy the comfort of things being static. Change makes them uncomfortable. Too many chefs and owners come into a new place, and the first thing they want to do is change everything, the decor, the menu, the uniforms, etc. This then gets reinforced when they hear a few customers say that they want change, or better yet when their serves say that the customers are begging for a change. 8 times out of 10 it's not the customers who want the change, it's the servers. Spend some time getting to know your customers, who they are, what their likes and dislikes are. Make one or two small changes and see how that goes over with them. If they like it, then implament more. If they don't like the few small ones, maybe your best bet is to keep things the same. Sometimes, people say they want change, but it's the idea of change that they like better than actual change. As I think about all the great restaurants here in Chicago, I know many that change the menus as often as possible, then I know of other places that haven't made a change in years and years. Yet, both types of places do well. Which one should you be? Maybe something in between? Let your cutomers make that decision for you. Take some more time, and find out what their desires are. If you move too quickly, you could end up alienating your loyal customers.
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Old 01-24-2002, 07:28 AM
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To follow up with Pete's comments....I have friends that have static menus ontwo pages and then have a Daily menu change...they tried to eliminate a few dishes in the past on the static menu and HEARD about it from the customers. Needless to say you may tire of making something but loyal customers may come to eat that one thing.

I have another friend with multiple restaurants, when he left his main one the charcuterie that they are known for stopped...the chef did not wanna spend time on breaking down animals and made a few pates but nothing like before. I used to take out of town chefs there because that's what made it special.....I wonder if they've heard enough comments, I've not been in in months....

I have multiple restaurant buddies that change their menus daily...those are the most creative, farmer friendly restauranteurs.....they do well printing new menus every day....of course they have favs that seem to appear regularly (signiture dishes).

One of my dear friends moved back into town after 10 years and opened a restaurant much like the ones he had previously, he has consistant bread selection with pear butter and then the menu changes weekly.

My personal cheffing clients have favorites that appear on a regular basis, thank goodness they like me to play too.....but after 7 years and asking for feedback I know the boundries....that is may suggestion to you. Walk the front of the restaurant and talk to customers.
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I feel like I am in this situation,but in a reverse role.
I have worked in my place of employment for 15 years now. Started as a dishwasher and now I am Sous chef(but basicly I am the exec of the operation, just not the title).

The owners are two reat guys to work for , but are scared or unwilling(can't figure it out) to change or update the menu at all.

I ,for one, and my staff fell as if or creativity is being wasted because we cook the same menu day in and day out, season after season.(I have ben cooking for the last 9 or so years)

If I was the chef at your operation I would love to be in his shoes.I would feel as if it was a new lease on life so to speak.

How old of a person are we talking about? If he is older he just might be scared of change because he has gotten use to the daily routine.

As for the remarkes behind your back, those arre uncalled for. That would be grounds enough for me to terminate him on the spot.(now the legallity of this situation is another story)

I agree with everyone else in trying to work things out gradually, but not if it is going to hinder YOUR PLANS for YOUR restaurant in the long run.

I hope you get everything worked out.

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Your restaurant! Your money!! Your a s s on the line!! Your way or the highway. I'm sorry, but I'm old school. Lead, follow or get the f*ck out of the way. Where are you Angelica? For guaranteed 52k, I'll give you a new menu, fix you some fine specials AND make you laugh. I'd throw the bum out the door. Probably bodily. I do NOT appreciate challenges to my authority by subordinates. This is a good opportunity for you to make an example of this clown. You can show the other employees that you can be a good and generous boss to them, but if they screw you, they're seriously done. Nothing wrong with a little healthy respect for you. It shows them that you do what you say. My opinion.
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You have my sympathy.
I did once have a similar situation with my head waiter. We went for months with him working against me and eventually I had to 'let him go'.
I found the whole experience stressful and unpleasant but it didn't last long and everyone left was the better for it.
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One other thing I forgot. Use this fools ego against him. Tell him that "it just isn't working out" and you're giving him a choice to quit or be fired. One comes with reference, one DOES NOT. If he's stupid and proud, (hopefully) he will quit and deny HIMSELF unemployment credit. This is a beautiful thing and never fails to amaze me.
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Hello.

I'm with Mofo 110% on this one. Greta Chefs may not be a dime a dozen, but they are $52G's a dozen, you have no need to pamper this guy, especially in this market. You give him a new job description tomorrow. Write him up a day later when he violates some portion of that description (and he will), then fire him when he does it again (and he will). This way you have no references to write, and no unemployment to file because he was fired for "just cause"

I've been in this business for 23 years, and it is a cut-throat, kill-or-be-killed business. Remember to resist the natural urge to be friends with your employees, because that only leads to them being able to manipulate you. You are in this business to make money not friends, I hope. Please don't say you are one of those "gee-wouldn't-it-be-fun-to-own-a-restaurant" types.

So find your new chef, heck hire him/her on as a new sous if you need to. Your current Chef's seniority was with the previous owners. He started with you as a new employee just like the rest of the staff. Can him and move on. The transition may be hard, but not near as hard as being pushed around by your own employees ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

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It would sure be nice to get an update,
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interview him for the job, let him see you are prepaired to look at his resume for the position.
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lost 1/2 of my message in essence make him redundant change the role to kitchen manager with cooking abilities.
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Hooray!!! XYZ, a giant corporation, has just bought our company and the first level managers, a bunch of lazy fat cats, are unhappy. Some have chosen to leave the company because things will now be done the XYZ way instead of theirs. GREAT!!!! Change eliminates stagnation.

No prejudice here. Butt, up until now I have been afraid to complain about my supervisor who is a flaming queen and makes personal - nonprofessional - remarks. Hopefully he's leaving with 8 weeks. Thank you XYZ. See any parallel?

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