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Old 07-27-2004, 09:05 PM
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Could someone please write instructions on how to make a simple sugar sculpture or refer me to a website?
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:04 AM
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Could someone please write instructions on how to make a simple sugar sculpture or refer me to a website?
Simple?
Take a pound of sugar, melt it and that's a simple sugar sculpture.

Anything past that, trust me is not that simple! Temperatures have to be accurate, the amount of acid added will be critical to too soft or too hard sugar. Isomalt will come into the discussion sooner or later, that's a whole 'nuther ball 'o' wax so to be speaking!

You may find recipes for making the sugar base but trust me sugar sculptures ain't simple!

Here's a link to where I went (many times )
http://www.notterschool.com/
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Old 07-28-2004, 05:07 PM
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Like what chrose said, temperature is the name of the game here.
My limit research into my old books have yeilded the following temperatures

104C 220F Jelly
110C 230F Syrup
116C 24F Fudge/Soft Ball
121C 250F Firm Ball
127C 260F Hard Ball
138C 280F Soft Crack
149C 300F Hard Crack

For sugar sculptures, I think you want something between a Hard Ball to Soft Crack.
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Old 08-04-2004, 07:52 PM
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Vintor, I knew I had a basic recipe around here somewhere.
Dissolve 2# white sugar in 16 oz of cold water. Bring up the heat slowly and stir constantly. Bring the sugar to a boil and keep washing the sides.
As the sugar comes to a boil, skim the scum with a tea strainer. Depending on the purity of the sugar you may have to do this several times. After it comes to a full boil add 8 oz Glucose. Bring it to a boil, skim again and wash the sides down as necessary. If you are doing a one time piece that doesn't need a shelf life, you can finish the sugar now. However if you give the sugar more time to dissolve it stands a better chance of lasting and not crystallizing on you. So if you have the time you can remove the sugar from the heat after it boils after adding the glucose and cover tightly with plastic wrap. The plastic will suck in and as it cools condensation will form on the plastic. This is okay. Let it sit and cool for a day. When you are ready to finish it, uncover it and bring it back to a boil. Bring the sugar up to 280ºF. and add 15 drops of disolved Tartaric Acid (Available at good bakery supply stores) Bring the syup up to 309ºF and promptly remove from the heat. The sugar is now ready to pour onto a marble slab and turn into workable sugar. And that my friend is a whole nuther issue! If you just want to do pourings and breakable pieces for decoration you can do the same steps and omit the Tartaris Acid. For opaque pieces you can add Calcium Carbonate and White color to the syrup at about 258ºF.
If you want to color the sugar, dissolve a little powdered color in water just before the temp reaches the final stage. Liquid and paste colors contain other ingredients that can eventually break down the sugar so it's best to avoid them.
Basic sugar 101. Good luck.
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I was doing research for my website on Sugar and I was put in contact with a Chef that is MASTER....I got to reviewing some of his work and there is no doubt why they call him the "SugarDaddy" he has a good article about sugar work at http://www.pastrychef.info/news.asp?Headline_ID=8

He is truly amazing...beats the heck out of my blown oranges and sugar roses...LOL

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Cheffy,
That is a great article. It gives me even more information on sugar sculpting. My boss gave a class a few months back. He used isomalt, but really didn't give any insight about sugar and what to do with it. I am hoping one day to soon to set up my kitchen for sculpting in chocolate and sugar. Right now I am mostly just in awe of the masters.

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Vintor,
If your really interested in playing, you should get in contact with a local Pastry Chef in a good hotel and he or she should be able to turn you on to some isomalt. This is a more forgiving medium. You might start with poured sugar which only requires color and clay. A silpat is also helpful.
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I have done a fair amount of sugar stuff, but the stuff that Chef Chiffers did is unbeleivable...I could never imagine the time and patience for some of his work...

If you didn't already go check out his personal website http://www.martinchiffers.com

This Chef is the MASTER

Talk to you soon,
Cheffy

PS...you are going to do Sugar out of your home? Would like to hear your ideas of what you are wanting to do...
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Thanks for the link. Wow.
I want to start with poured first and then floral designs.
Start simple is my motto.

Thanks again
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Thanks for the nice comments Cheffy a nice suprise to find this web page
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We are honored to have you among us, Chef Chiffers. Your work is amazing! We hope you enjoy this site and visit often.

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I was amazed at your email this afternoon...

Welcome to Chef Talk, am pretty honored to have you among us...

Instead of ranting and raving about your work, I just want you to know that I refer to both of your websites frequently and that I have attained a good amount of knowledge from your http://pastryarts.info site. Some good stuff, and anytime anyone asks me about sugar or some other pastry work that I know that you or your site has discussed I refer them to your sites.

You rock....

Look forward in hearing more from you.

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Oops...

Just realized I posted the wrong link...it is http://pastrychef.info

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Thanks Cheffy and Mezzaluna,
www.Pastrychef.info has been some what neglected recently due to the pressures of work and life new born baby etc, but I hope to find time to upgrade it and add allot more information soon, I would welcome any info that I can add to it news, links, recipe are always welcome,
Its a pleasure to be on this site "chef talk" and will willingly give any advice if needed,

Ref: "isomalt" this is non hygroscopic so will not attract moisture so easily, working with it can be a little hot to handle but is great for poured sugar as it wont get stick so fast with humidity.

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