Turned sugar (sucre tourne)?

[Erik]

Found some stuff on a 'rarely used in France' (circa 1975) sugar work technique called 'sucre tourne' (turned sugar) in one of my chef-instructor's French pastry books the other week and have been playing around with it. But, my chef had never seen it done and internet searches in English or French come up with essentially nothing.

Has anyone else heard of/played with this?

Erik

[chrose]

I do believe that turned sugar is actually sugar that has been prepared for pulling and has been pulled, folded, and "turned" into a block that is ready for use or storage.

[Erik]

The method as I've been using it:

(I scaled these all to be a smaller batch, in ounces)

1000 g sugar
400 g water
50-100 g glucose (I used the equivalent to 50, I think I'll use more on the next batch)


Cook to 285*, and pour onto oiled marble. Once it is just about set cut it into squares (about 1" or so).
From here, the squares can be stored for later use.

To use, warm under a lamp to get the sugar back to a pliable state, flipping so they are warmed evenly. Then, form petals by shaping with your fingers, while under the heat. (Carry on similar to making pulled sugar flowers)

Now, this can be stored in the open air (no need for plastic boxes to reduce moisture) and the book recommended that you do so. The set I did I've had out for a week and a half without any problems. (I stuck one in one of our school's moisture-heavy refridgerators last night, we'll have to see what happens)

Now, what I gather is happening is that the massaging of the sugar causes it to start to crystallize, changing the once clear pieces to opaque white over a couple of days. The book recommends coloring it by dabbing a little powdered color on your fingertips while working the pieces, allowing you to get multiple colors (as well as highlights) from the same batch of sugar.

Any of this sound familiar?

[cakerookie]

Essentially what Chrose said. You have sugar that is prepared for pulling or blowing. Go to Pastrywiz.com recipes there.Or do a search on it here there are numerous posts on this subject here at Cheftalk...

[panini]

This is not like regular pulled or poured sugar. I learn this in my apprenticship um,30? yrs.ago.
This is a method for the local bakeries to have available sugar to make roses and such on cakes. In chatenay malabry we would have these squares available and form flowers like you would with fondant. The work was not as feminine and delicate. It's soft enough to form petels and leaves but not able to get paper thin. If we needed thin we used marzipan and a lite bulb.
anyway, this is what I know of it, but of course I'm known to be wrong.
The sugar was use because of the cost and little labor.

[panini]

My co-workers tell me the show Sugar Rush was on last night and they heard a name I mention a lot. It's a Pastry Chef by the name of Mohan Desilva.
Does anyone remember where they said he was located? He was doing something in sugar.
I left my friend Mohan 20 yrs. ago in NYC at the Marquis and have not been able to track him down since. I'm pretty sure he did not stay with Marriott. All I need is a state but a workplace would be great!
tia
pan

[Erik]

I did a project at school with this and learned a couple things.....
(funny how that works out)

After 6 weeks things still had not started to dissolve. But there is a major fault to it.
Things that I made that were 'solid' - like roses - were very strong. I had one of my fellow students toss one to me and miss...it bounced on the pavement and was mostly ok.
Things that were 'thin' - like daffodils and stems - had no strength at all. (Had to go back and redo all of the stems in isomalt).
Although....it makes great faux aquarium gravel. Can you guess what I'm currently doing for my showpieces class? hehe

[castironchef]

Originally Posted by panini

My co-workers tell me the show Sugar Rush was on last night and they heard a name I mention a lot. It's a Pastry Chef by the name of Mohan Desilva.
Does anyone remember where they said he was located? He was doing something in sugar.
I left my friend Mohan 20 yrs. ago in NYC at the Marquis and have not been able to track him down since. I'm pretty sure he did not stay with Marriott. All I need is a state but a workplace would be great!
tia
pan

Pan:

Everything I find in a Google search shows that he's the Executive Pastry Chef at the Marriott Waldman Park, in Wash. D.C.

Here's his bio from the 2006 Pastry Team Championship.

Mohan De Silva back to top
Team Captain

Mohan De Silva has ascended from his humble beginnings to become a world-renowned pastry chef. He began as an apprentice in the Inter-Continental Hotel in his native land of Sri Lanka where he trained in culinary arts and hospitality. In 1975, Mohan traveled to the western world with his family where he worked at the Southampton Princess Hotel in Bermuda.

He then traveled to Freeport, Bahamas in 1978 where he became the Pastry Chef of the Princess Hotel. Through the early 80's, Chef De Silva accepted the challenge of managing three Marriott Hotels, as pastry chef in Saudi Arabia.

Working his way back westward, he spent some time at the Homestead Hotel in Hotsprings, VA. Mohan then embarked on his most prestigious assignment: he became Executive Pastry Chef of New York City's Marriott Marquis in 1985 as part of the hotel's opening team. He remained in the Big Apple for 9 years until venturing to the City of Brotherly Love in 1994 as the Executive Pastry Chef of the Philadelphia Marriott Hotel. At present Mohan is the Executive Pastry Chef at the Wardman Park Marriott Hotel in Washington D.C.

Mohan has won over 30 medals in domestic and international competition. He won his first Culinary Olmypic medals in Frankfurt, Germany in 1992. He also received two St. Michaels' gold medals for Pastry Excellence at the New York Culinary Arts and Restaurant Show. Mohan became Marriott Team Captain in 1998 where he lead his team to two silver medals in the Hotelympia London. He was selected team captain again for the 2000 Culinary Olympics where he led his team to the gold. Mohan enjoys pastry competitions because it is his chance to learn new techniques from others in addition to showcase his skill.

See http://www.pastrychampionship.com/ar...va.htm#desilva

[panini]

castiron
Thank you very much.
I can't believe I was Spelling his name wrong unless he has changed it or something. I will be on the horn today. I opened the Marquis in NY and he came on board from the Homestead. We did sugar together a few years until I split for Tex. This might have been the most pleasant person I have ever met in my life. Which is why I mention him a lot when showing the crew sugar.
A piece might crash, I'm always saying Mohan would be saying "oh my goodness" we must make another, and smile.
thank you so much castiron.
btw his family in Sri Lanka are all very artistic. I have on my wall a batik done by his brother. It's beautiful. goin away present from him.
sorry I took this off topic, I posted in the wrong place. Ya'll may proceed

[castironchef]

No problem, Pan. I'm grateful I had the chance to assist you, as we've all learned so much from your posts.

As to Mahon De Silva, he sounds like a great guy and I'll be rooting for him in the Pastry Championships.

[Erik]

As the official starter of this post - you are officially forgiven Pan. Thanks for the little bit of background on the turned sugar

[panini]

Erik
Thank you for forgivness. sucre tourne brings back memories. Your breakage is what I was refering to as not as feminine as pulled. We could not get paper thin with it. My mentor would put a sheet in the window when the sun was right and they would soften. He'd then move to the pastry side and use the colored petite fore sugar to help color the flowers. I was cussed pretty regularly for not working fast enough and having to return my pan to the sun or lamp.
Now a days I think chefs are probably adding calcium carbonate to achieve this look. It's a very specific look.
Thanks for the memories and I'm planning on showing the crew this week. Did you find this in a book by Eves Thuries?

[Erik]

Actually, yes I did. It was the French version so I had to get my wife to double check the translations for me (she is fluent - I can get by).

I really like the technique applied to Isomalt sugar. I've been using it to create clear flowers and other little things that are very pretty. The isomalt seems to have a smaller workable temperature range, so it is a little trickier to work with, but as the feeling in my hands goes away it gets easier

[cakerookie]

Pastry Championships July 7th and 8th 2006 @ JW Marriott Desert Ridge Spa and Resort in Phoenix Arizona. Also the Coupe Du Monde de la Patisserie January 21st and 22nd 2007.You can go www.pastrychampionship.com to find out more about the one in Phoenix. As far as the other one I will have to go back and look.

[panini]

Erik,
We have similar situations. French is my wifes first language amongst a few others. She has a lot of family in Paris and surrounding areas. We both have family in Zurich,Italy, etc.
On my many trips to Paris I accumulated a monster collection of cookbooks, and like you say, had ,and still have help translating. It's wierd, but I'm fluent in understand French. We will chat, even over there and I will speak English and they will understand and they will speak French and we all do just fine. Sophies grandma just turned 97, we were just online looking for tickets so that she and my son can visit her again.
Erik, I've tried to style myself after Thuries. I believe he has a complete understanding of food, classical,neuvelle,bourgeois,etc. I purchase anything of his in print. I'm a little partial for I had the oportunity to meet and eat with him through family over there.
Keep experimenting
pan
I would really like to have specifics on the isomalt. I find that stuff hardens at most any temp. When you say workable temp. are your refering to the internal temp of the isomalt or the temp from having to work close to a lamp or heat source? I have no problems with direct heat from sugar, but I seem so be really sensetive to the lamps on the top of my hands. I guess I need some callouses on the tops of my hand