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Old 11-13-2001, 07:24 AM
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So what do your think Kimmie and Athenaeus about the article nancya posted?
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Old 11-13-2001, 09:43 AM
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Returning from the brilliant yellow of the canola fields to the original topic...

First, everyone does not know that applesauce is necessarily the BEST replacement for fats, because it isn't always.

Many sorts of fruit and vegetable purees can be used to supplement or replace fats. Prune puree works very, very well in anything chocolate. Squash or pumpkin puree can also work well, as can pureed dried dates, or canned pears, or babyfood carrots, or mangos, or bananas (very good indeed, although they tend to give a banana flavour). Applesauce is blander, true, but it does tend to give the driest results. Choosing fruit based on other flavours of the cake is a better strategy.

Low-fat or nonfat buttermilk or yogourt is excellent as well, particularly in things that are supposed to resemble scones or biscuits as well as in many cake recipes; it produces a nice tenderness. Cottage or Quark cheese can also be used in many instances; it gives good results mixed with a tiny bit of butter - I've used a tablespoon in some recipes, creamed or cut with nonfat dry cottage cheese, and got good stuff.

Other techniques for increasing tenderness and moistness include replacing part of the flour called for with pastry flour if all-purpose. I've also used oat flour (no more than a quarter total) in many cake recipes, which does a lot to counter the dryness.

Dryness, actually, is more often caused by overbaking, or overmixing. Lowfat recipes usually need to be mixed like pancakes - just until combined - and baked to a point that in a regular recipe, might be considered just a smidge underdone.

In cookie recipes, brown rice syrup, oddly enough, is very good. You can find some lowfat cookie recipes using corn syrup and/or molasses; subbing some or all brown rice syrup makes the cookies crisper (anything like a crisp nonfat cookie is often difficult; most recipes are more like little cakes. Which is fine, you know, but sometimes you want something that ISN'T a meringue with a little bit of crunch.)

Pureed silken tofu (the kind in aseptic boxes) can also be used. Like cottage cheese, it tends to work very well in recipes that normally call for creamed butter; one creams a very small amount of butter with tofu blended perfectly smooth.

About sugar: if you're working with published low-fat recipes, they are almost always MUCH MUCH too sweet. Most authors seem to compensate for dropping the fat by increasing the sugar; I find it unnecessary, and usually reduce the sugar by at least 1/3. (I was raised by a European mother, and I'm not much for really sweet things.)

A few references for lowfat baking:
Sandra Woodruff: Secrets of Fat-Free Baking (recipes are much of a muchness, but plenty of tips on using fruit purees and other fat replacers, and converting existing recipes.)
Alice Medrich: Chocolate and the Art of Low Fat Desserts (wonderful)
Patty Neeley: Sweet Deceptions (good if you want something really junky; she uses a lot of nonfat creamer in her recipes, though)
Susan Purdy: Have Your Cake and Eat It Too (she doesn't reduce fat as much as I would, but a good, moderate starting point)
Rose Reisman: Divine Indulgences (again, quite moderate. Some interesting stuff here, including Passover-friendly desserts and a chapter on Soy Sweets.)

Cooking Light has a website at www.cookinglight.com
Sarah Phillips (author of The Healthy Oven Baking Book, which is out of print, but good if you can find it) has a baking website at http://www.cooking911.com/index.htm which includes a lot of her low-fat baking pointers.
If you want to go all out, check out the searchable archives at www.fatfree.com
This is a huge compilation of recipes from the Fat Free mailing list, including a plethora of desserts. The recipes here are also vegetarian, and often vegan.

There are also a lot of other good low-fat baking resources online. A quick Google search will turn up a pile for you.
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Old 11-13-2001, 10:28 AM
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Sorry for opening a can of worms. I really didn't know the bad things about canola oil. Thanks for the info. It made me examine canola oil more closely. I read the FDA document on it and yes it does contain erucic acid but only 0.3 to 1.2%. Before 1971, it contained up to 60% which would definitely be not too good for you. I found a good site that seemed unbiased: Canola: Truth or Fiction. I know from my days as a botany student that rapeseed used for canola was produced via traditional breeding techniques and not genetic modification. That was over 5 years ago, but I doubt genetically modified varieties have proliferated. In any case, I tend to use different oils for whatever I'm cooking and I use small amounts, so I'm not too worried for the little bit of canola oil that I do use. It usually takes me 3 months or so to finish the smallest bottles at the grocery store.

I agree with CompassRose. Alice Medrich's Chocolate and the Art of Low Fat Desserts is a great book. The recipes do not produce anything that could be called health food, but each recipe does have less than 30% fat. Another baking book I like is the Eating Well Dessert Cookbook. The recipes generally use fruit purees, buttermilk or yogurt with a couple of tablespoons of oil.
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Old 11-13-2001, 12:03 PM
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What an incredible amount of knowledge you've accumulated CompassRose! I will print out your recommendations just incase someone asks for these types of products from me in the future. Thank-you!
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Old 11-13-2001, 02:41 PM
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Dear Risa!

No you didn't open the can of worms, or if you did this what we suppose to do in discussion forums!

Dear Wendy.
Before starting replying to you about what I am thinking of the article that Nancy posted, I possed my self this simple question:
if I had to choose between the 2$ olive poison that Italians sell as olive oil and the canola oil what would I choose.

After thinking for a while I would choose the Italian crap.Only because I am used in consuming olive oil.That's all and I am honest to you.

Of course the fact the canola oil is produced by genetically modified seeds influenced my decision.
Genetical modifications is something very serious. Is not as choosing another brand's hard disk for your pc.

On the other hand I have friends in NY that they boast that they spend money for their health and they buy organic olive oil and in the same time they are having 10 donuts for breakfast...

I think that in food, prejudice and habbit play a very important role. Education plays it's role also but we have to change level first.

As I hate vegeterians who try to persuade us that we have to pasture in order to stay healthy I hate those who say "eat olive oil unless you want to die". I do not belong to those people
As long as we have access to reliable information ( and allow me here to remark that articles in newspapers are not SO reliable ) we have the right to make our own decisions.

I just want to ask my sister who is participating in Educational programes about Nutrition and she has started her campaign for the elimination of fat with the substitution of olive oil, if she would drink every day a table spoon of canola because she is drinking olive oil every morning to keep her skin healthy...

And since she is preparing some olive oil based homemade cosmetics for her hair and skin , if she would use canola even on her hair...

I think that if you use it for preparing your cookies you can use it for your hair

Last by not least I want to thank CompassRose for this excellent post. It's amazing who many things you learn around here!!

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Old 11-13-2001, 02:46 PM
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What an informative thread.

So what about rapeseed oil that is less refined? Is it as dangerous? A few years ago, I was visiting China (Shanghai and neighboring areas) and stayed three days in a rural village. Yellow flowered rapeseed plants abounded. The locals press their own oil and let me tell you, it is not very refined at all. Looked like muddy extra virgin olive oil. Anyway, I didn't seem to detect much of a stink or bad flavor. And the person who cooked the food used lots of it. Regionally, I think rapeseed is the oil that is most readily avaible because it grows the best in that climate. Anyway, folks there seemed to live to a ripe old age doing and eating things the way they always have. The moral of the story? Is it in the refining process that rapeseed/canola oil becomes a rogue product? Or maybe the development of the seed (notice Monsanto is calling it Canola seed and not rapeseed)?

In any case, Kimmie, your information is convincing me to return to olive oil and corn oil for cooking. The depletion of vitamin E is the bit that convinced me. Thank you.
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Well, I'm sticking to my guns...no Canola for me thank you...and I'm ashamed about the fact that the Canadian government subsidizes/pushes such garbage!!!

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Old 11-13-2001, 05:25 PM
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I have learned a lot today about canola oil, so I'd like to thank all of you for enlightening me. I tend to think that the bad reputation that canola oil has developed is true, mostly because it is even given a cryptic name that says nothing about its origins.

Please keep this can of worms open. It's very interesting.

Like mpchoux, it's the vitamin E depletion that turns me off!
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Old 11-14-2001, 09:48 AM
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monpetitchoux: The less refined rapeseed oil is actually the one that helped give canola a bad rap. That's why canola is called canola and not rapeseed oil. Rapeseed oil is not approved in the US by the FDA because it can contain up to 60% erucic acid. That's the "poison" because it robs your body of Vitamin E. Maybe the Chinese eat enough of something else that keeps their Vitamin E levels normal.

melina: Do you just take a spoonful of olive oil each morning all by itself? I've never tried that but that sounds like it's worth trying; winter just kills my skin. Just as soon as I get something other than the "2$ olive poison that Italians sell as olive oil."

BTW, do regular grocery stores elsewhere in the US carry anything other than Italian olive oil? Even the gourmet food shop by my work has only Italian but then it's an Italian food market. The only time I've seen non-Italian olive oil where I live is at TJ Maxx and I'm a little reluctant buying olive oil there
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Old 11-14-2001, 07:12 PM
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O.k. I hate to be the old lady in this conversation about eating olive oil, but, um hum....isn't it much like having a tbsp. of mineral oil daily for regularity? Oils lines your intestines and it doesn't get absorbed very much into your body when take seperately on an empty stomach.

I feed my cats mineral oil for their coats because their on a phyrsciption (sorry can't spell tonight) food that has vertually no fat, so the oil replaces the fat in their diet helping their coat, but it doesn't really do that much.

So if I take that thought further... if you have a normal diet that isn't completely void of fats your getting what your body needs to give your hair and nails shine, no?! And adding straight oil down your tubes just makes everything slide nice.

Also, if eating oil helped moisten your dry skin they may not market it that way, but wouldn't dermatoigists tell patients to do this? My spouse has seen several for his dry skin and so far no mention of eating oil...........
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Old 11-15-2001, 09:56 AM
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Of course I would never use canola for my hair or skin!!

But that doesn't mean that we must not search for alternatives!

Dear WdeBord and Risa , I find olive oil great for skin and I happen to like the taste of raw olive oil!So I drink every morning a spoon of olive oil.

If you find it good for anything else as Wendy suggests it's ok with me!
None force you to drink it!

As for doctors let's not start this conversation. I belong to those that they believe that doctors will never find a cure for cancer or diabetes because they make a lot of money out of patients.

I will have in mind what Compass Rose wrote.

Thanks a lot for your help.
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Old 11-15-2001, 04:31 PM
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These posts have been do informative to me. I wasn't sure if I was using canola oil(aside from olive oil) so I had to run to the kitchen and check. Yep, I do use canola ---thinking it was the healthiest oil around to use. Guess I'm going to do a bit more reading on which is the best oil to use.
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No more canola. Guess I'll stick to olive oil.
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Old 11-16-2001, 11:51 AM
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VERY INTERESTING!

A couple of things I dont understand: Why are we talking like there are only 2 choices in oils? Canola and olive.

Esp. in the context of baking. I really avoid baking desserts with olive oil at all costs...with the exception of a couple of Greek recipes.

From what I understand from some of the posts here Canola oil comes from rapeseeds that have NOT been genetically altered chemically or mechanically. But that it comes from cross breeding. This is true of many fruits and vegies and has been practiced for milliniums (Think wine). In fact it is mentioned in the Bible.

It seems to me that studies continue to show that too much of most good things is not beneficial. In fact I have always varied my oils .... using different ones for different things.

Also: who here has seen the movie "Lorenzo's Oil"?
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I use apple sauce in a ton of my baking, it does make things drier but not always! It's all about experimenting. You can also add things like prune puree to things (i use gerber baby food for a quick no sugar added version) or using a can of pumpkin puree (not pumpkin pie filling).

One really quick recipe is to take a box of devils food cake mix and instead of adding the eggs, oil water, just add one 15 oz can of pumpkin, stir and bake like normal. It will look really thick when you put it in the pan but it will bake great! You are getting the added fiber of the pumpkin and leaving out all the oil. It really tastes great and isn't dry!

For more healthy alternatives check out my blog
stephchows.blogspot.com

I hope you enjoy it! And I hope i helped!
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