MUST SEE, Anna W. cakes, their wonderful!

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Panini,
Hope those women didn't do anything bad to your business.
Stay away from there. Not worth the breath.

[panini]

nothing I can't fix. You're right. Thanks

[Anna W.]

Athenaeus- Thanks for the compliment. I wish I was charging a lot more. Have to be patient- haven't enough press to charge like the big guys yet but I do charge pretty well for my area. I would be very interested in seeing the pic you were referring to.

Panini- Choco-pan is a commercial fondant made with chocolate. You have to add the gum trag to mold it. I used the choco-pan to cover the cake, too, and wanted the roses to match. I like working with gumpaste better and is what I generally use when making flowers, bows, etc. I use Rosemary Watson's recipe. It is very strong and easy to work with. If you are interested she has it posted on www.sugarbouquets.com The best recipe I've found yet. I do not use a shellac. I do steam the gumpaste flowers to get rid of the chalky appearance. Any "crew" would be a dream of mine! I get help with delivery from my husband and occasionally the clean up but every thing else is mine.

Don't worry about whether they saw that we "knew" each other at the board. I don't care if they did. I take away what I need and leave the rest. Some people need to get a life. One person in particular seemed to go off the edge and it's a shame. Some of them over there are really nice. And what ever they did that you had to fix- I am sorry. BUT...what goes around comes around.

[Anna W.]

Panini- Oh my gosh! I just went back to the other site and now I feel even worse! Me saying sorry isn't going to do any good but I am certainly glad you promised your wife to stay away from there- you don't need that. Again- sorry.

[angrychef]

Hiya Wendy, still here. I've been busy with new dessert menus and nursing myofascial pain syndrome in my right shoulder(I guess too much mixing and folding finally wore my shoulder muscles out).

Anna, those are very beautiful cakes. It's nice to "meet" people who really love what they do, it shows in your work. I may not get into a lot of these discussions(work is just too busy and I have so much reading to do!) but if I have a bit of time I do read the posts and learn something. See, I'm already learning something new about making flowers. Since I don't have the time nor labor to make my own flowers, I usually order them from Sugarflowers plus, a local company here in lala land.www.sugarflowers.com

[W.DeBord]

Hey you (Dana) I sure was wondering what happened to you, glad to hear your (at least partically) alright.

Are you surgery bad or just need to give the arm a rest bad? Thank goodness you have an assistant.

I might need your advice on scheduling bread making into your pastry work....we will see, nothing concrete happening.

[m brown]

beautiful cakes!!!!

great links, i love sugarflowers, they take the time to do lovely work that i can't always!

great topic.

[alex]

There are always three sides to a story: his side, her side, and the truth! Well, "Panini" has no right to put down another site just as other sites do not have the right to do that to this site. For the truth: always consider the source and REFER to the source. Read it for yourself and then decide. I just discovered this site and think has some very valuable information, as does the other! I'm pretty sure if you read for yourself from an objective point of view as I did what was going on with Jeff's "Panini's" comments then you can decide for yourself. Boy, for trying to claim to be such a "nice guy", my how the pot calls the kettle black when sitting on another stove!

[W.DeBord]

When you stand on one side of any issue too long you can't view the otherside clearly/or non-prejuicely at all. Some people or organizations can lure you into believing their agenda with-out ever seeing how their agenda also has flaws.

I learned something amazing at the other site (actually taught me about history and what happens to people under stress). You can't in a million years believe what you'll do when a whole group of people gang up upon you!

No one balanced in the middle opens there mouth they run for cover, sorrry-can't be bothered, it's not their agenda. Wars start, people get hurt and the middleguy covers their head and just takes care of themselfs. If the middle guys just opened their eyes and realized they have the numbers to control the whole situation....but they never do speak up and take a role.


We send our children out into a world that functions this way with bullys and mobs and tell Johnny to be strong. But we never look in the mirror at how we as adults teach our children by our examples. Then we wonder how come Johnny brought a gun to school. It starts right here, right this second with each of us.

I have much to learn about many things! Please help teach me, that's the only reason why I come on line. I in turn hope that's the reason you all came here too. If you also listen to me in return, maybe you might discover I have something of value to teach you too. We each have different approaches sometimes each approach is valid sometimes we have to learn that our approach might not be valid. To teach with-out an open minded exchange is just a lecture. To learn in an enviroment that controls your freedoms is very limiting and not the American way!

[alex]

I totally agree with you. However, many of his posts were made as "anonymous" instead of using his name. I have too much on my plate to deal with that sort of stuff. the problem is he made a racial slur which I take offense to! I have four children of my own and let me say that they DO know right from wrong. Mr. Panini dragged me into it when he used the words "cochinas" to refer to us. I happen to be hispanic (born in California, but none the less proud of my heritage..) How dare anyone say such a thing?! If it were you, I'm sure you'd feel a bit different. Am I angry? no. Am I offended. You bet. What nationality are you? Wouldn't you feel a bit offended if someone said something offensive about your nationality or heritage? I was completely out of it until that point. He should take up his issues with the people directly. Yet, he continues. I see on your threads that it obviously did not become a moot subject. He took it from over there to here. That is not right being the "professional" he is supposed to be. I'll shut up now. Just bothers me when I am put into a situation I had nothing to do with.

[panini]

Please, Please, Please! Do not bring this over here. It has nothing to do with pastries. I'm trying to get past it! Please. The only reason it was even mentioned here is this is where I was when I was refered there. I will not appologise to anyone anymore. I have never and will never personally attack anyone. Words ahve different meanings all over the world.
When somebody accidently wonders on to somebody turf and has something to say and it is all of a sudden its 1 against 20, he or she will say anything.
Alex, it is apparent that you wish to continue this, everyone else wants to put it to rest. Why? Because of a word? I work in a kitchen that does not speak any English and this word has never meant lowly to us.
ps I wasn't trying to hide anything posting anonymously. I just didn't know and still don't know how the site works. I have nothing against the site,or you, its just not for me.
See, here you don't have to sigh anything, you know who it is.

[W.DeBord]

I have no idea what the word cochinas is or means so I can't have a conversation on it.

All I can address is the fact that mean things were said by both sides, no one who posted was inocent. Jeff said some dumb things he later appologized for, but I can't say I recall reading anyone else applogized for any dumb or mean things they said back to him. And I read some really mean posts by the "inoccents" . P.S. He left the name blank so it read annonmous because at EVERY other web site things work much differently then that and they automaticly post your name. I'm always forgetting to write my name in. I recall seeing him post his name and website many times down at the bottom of the page.

I do find it remarkable that a couple people over and over stand up and yell in the name of the group. I think that gives any group a black eye or if there is silience that means you all condone the words of a few. I have recieved posts from others that are uncomfortable with this type of behavoir and wish that site would not have people who beat up others. They would love to meet somewhere else to avoid the mean people but unforunately there isn't another decorating site that's as active. I also was told people have tried to start new forums, but they failed. I also have gotten numerous posts from women that are professional chefs and are scared to let anyone know that there because of this behavoir.


Too much is taken soooo personally. You have name police, spelling police, edicate police and god forbid anyone ever write something that could be mis-interpeted, your branded for life. I've heard stories about Lynn and Denise and I don't even know them (stories that happened long before I ever saw that site)...but they stepped on some feet and they'll forever be branded, just like myself, Jeff and many newbies will be.


At this site when anyone gets out of line you'll ALWAYS find someone else who stops that or addresses the issues dirrectly. I've only seen one other site where people got personal (webfoodpros.) and they dissapeared because no one wants that kind of behavior, eventually people leave. When you shut people down who have another opinion because it hurts you or it might force you to take your blinders off you stating to create a police state.

KathyF thought she remembered mean things I said at webfoodpros.com. As she spent time researching this site to post this link to slander Jeff, I'm also certain she attempted to find a link over at webfoodpros. to slander me. She never ever found what she dreamed I said or stood for, because she was dead wrong! I bet you money she found things that supported my argument defending myself. BUT did she ever apolgize for slandering me? No way. Did she look over there, I'm certain (although she'll denie that because she is the queen of denial and a very mean person by her own admission), probably spent hours searching for that needle in the hay stack.

Alex defend yourself, but be certain when you defend a whole group that you really know all that the group has said and done because sometimes what you read in one place doesn't match up with the reality of what those people do behind your eyes. I don't defend every single word Jeff said, no way (but I know what it's like to be in that mean hot seat and how you'll do ANYTHING to get the bullys off you). But he did say many things that were correct, otherwise it wouldn't have stirred up so much emotion. Beat him to death all you want but you have to remember if his words held no truth no one would have ever gotten upset or even returned a post to him. Why in the world couldn't there have ever been an honest real dicussion on the issue? It's still a great issue. I saw another poster who start wanting to learn about saftey. What could have been a very helpful and informative conversation got shut down with childish behavoir that happened on BOTH sides.

[W.DeBord]

Oops, jeffs post happened while I was writting my novel. Sorry I won't continue if that's wants desired. I don't know how to erase my last post but if Momoreg can, please do.

[marysol]

I've been a lurker here for several years, but never posted, until now. I thought this thread would be poofed into cyberspace, but since it hasn't, here goes...

I fully agree with Anna W. when she stated, "I don't care what THEY think, what goes around comes around".
Amen to that! I feel exactly the same as she, never considered "kissing anyone's bum in order to be liked or accepted into a particular group a prerequisite". So I can voice my opinions [minus the name-calling] and people can walk away believing what they wish. Very liberating.

Panini made some very derogatory comments which included us ALL. If it is indeed true, that he's been getting harrasing emails and threatening phone calls, [while I feel this is totally unnacceptable], he should do his homework and PLEASE report the few troublemakers, rather than generalizing and attacking everyone with his racial slurs and offensive little stabs.

Panini, I'm a caring parent also, which is one of the reasons I try to be civil wherever I post. It'd be totally naive of me, to visit a B.B., insult and accuse everybody and their uncle of wrongdoing [without any facts to back up my accusations] ....and expect no retaliations.

Another reason why I've decided to post here is this: We do not feel compelled to convince anyone of anything, because, thankfully, it's all still there for everyone to see and decide for themselves who' s a cochina [that's Spanish for Lowly] ...just one of the many lovely words used by the self-proclaimed nice guy Panini. Pay a visit to the 'blasted' board and read the entire thread , then decide who behaved innappropiately, please, don't be too quick to choose the Proverbial-Finger-Pointing-Ritual.

Btw, we're a sharing board, many professionals on that board have benefited AND USED many of the ideas and recipes the 'non-professionals' such as myself, have come up with in the past.

M

[Spoons]

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