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Old 05-22-2002, 10:04 PM
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my two cents:

on the mix issue... i cant stand the majority of box mix products out there.. speically the cake mixes. a restaurant that i apprentashipped at used box mixes.. fine for that place sence there was no real bakers there... the sad story.. even the cooks screwed up the box mix... he he ..

anyway... when i was working in a hotel... we costed out maiking our own bread it and it was SOOOOOO much cheaper. you would think there would be some waste... bench flour into the garbage... NOPE.. we sifted it and put it back into the container.

we made all of our cakes from scratch... you think there would be some waste from cutting the little hump off the top.. NOPE... we made brownies out of them.

i know that box mixes are cheaper versus scratch cakes.... however... i think if you buy the ingredents for scratch cakes in bulk.. it will even out. example... the store by my house sells cake flour... 2 pounds for 3 bucks. that would really make scratch cakes expensive. however... a 50 pound bag is 9 bucks at a bulk grocery store. so i think there is potential for cost competing for the two products.

you can also taste a big differance in box mix and scratch cakes.

i do... however.. agree that one would need experianced labor to make it all happen.

i dont know... that is just what i think
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Old 05-23-2002, 04:45 PM
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Where I work, we have boxed mixes on the shelf, in case we are suddenly without enough desserts and need something fast. Even then, they have never just followed the directions. It is always a glorified mix- added pudding, fruit, butter, etc, etc, etc.

I have worked in commercial bakeries as a cake decorator. They all use the same distributor, the difference is always the actual labor as far as the intricacy of decoration, but for instance when I worked at a local grocery store they far preferred quantity (and believe me, gawdy, ugly cakes) over quality. I think I lasted there two weeks. The grocery store before that had snooty customers, so we had the dilemna of very high volume vs. very few workers and even less time. It is possible to create good quality in a short amount of time, if the workers are talented enough. I agree with Kwan, this is the root problem.

Anyway, where I work now we are constantly getting samples of mixes from our distributors. We often try them out, just to see. People like the made-from-scratch stuff best, so we stick with that. They've had to hire extra pastry people, but that is because they want to maintain the quality (I"m also happy about it because I was one of those hired). The amount of ideas that are brought in and tried out is enormous. There are a few things we make every day (according to customer demand) but other than that, it is just the premise "We need to feed x amount of people." But my point is this- how many "new" things can you try that are mixes? There are only so many flavors. When you start with actual ingredients, from scratch, the sky is the limit. When you control the texture, the flavor, the mouth-feel, there are so many more possibilities. To be limited to mixes is to continue to stifle creativity.

W. DeBord- I think we can all guess that you are not the type of person that could last very long in this type of mix/pre-made kind of situation. Hooray!!!

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