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Old 04-02-2002, 04:49 PM
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My personal favorite is getting busted for butter not at 41 degrees. I am sorry, but during service I leave the butter out so that it is not rock hard for our customers (I hate trying to spread rock hard butter onto bread. Well, it must be tossed out. Also for making creme fraiche which must set out at room temp to sour and thicken. Even though I know how to make it, since I couldn't provide the Health Inspector with a written recipe documenting that it must sit at room temp it had to be thrown out.

Amw5g, I understand where you are coming from. To people who don't know, a health violation is a health violation and can be a cause for alarm. And I agree, you should be aware of the places you eat, and should be informed about their general sanitation so that you can make an informed decision. I love the little taco stands all over Chicago, but I can't imagine how nasty those kitchens are. If I get sick after eating at one of them, I write it off as I should have known better, but at least I made the decision to put myself in jeapordy. I would be very upset if I was at a 3 star restaurant and their food made me sick. Again it is the hype surrounding this topic that p***es me off.
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Old 04-04-2002, 04:43 PM
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Seems Chicago is undergoing the same media sanitation nightmare that L.A. underwent a few years ago... we had an investigative team from a local station
that had hidden cameras in kitchens of some of the more well known places around town. Unfortunately they captured some really rotten health violations
(one place in particular had guys scratching themselves and eating the food
they were preparing all in glorious close up) and created a huge furor and public outcry. The station ran this footage every day for weeks along with a listing of restaurants who had been cited for violations and it became a big thing to tune in at 6:00 to see who had been shut down.
It caused an entire restructuring of the Health Dept. along with many new codes- all for the public good, I well admit. We now have an alphabet system based on a score of 100 pts. A is 100 -90, B is 89-80, etc.
These scores are posted at the entrance of every restaurant - failure to post is a fine. What makes it difficult for operators is that the violations keep changing, as the code becomes more strict. Things that were never an issue
(let's say milk crate in the kitchen) now is 2 pts. off your score.
If the inspector shows up when you're particulary slammed, and the cream's at 44 degrees,your sanitation buckets P.H. is off (I know that one Kuan), there's mold at the bottom of the drain of the ice machine, and at the bar, a fruit fly was found in the 3/4 empty bottle of 99 Bananas that hasn't been touched in 6 months, you're now looking at a B rating.
And now word gets around town that you're an "unsanitary restaurant" all thanks to the media which has heightened the awareness. The Health Dept. dosen't consider you unsanitary, but the public does, and most people here have issues going to a B restaurant.
It's a two edged sword -public health is utmost in our minds and chefs and operators spend a lot of money to comply. But I also feel in this germaphobic, antibacterial media frenzied society, people are losing their grip on what's real and important out there. The fact that most people would rather eat genetically altered, chemically enhanced, irradiated food rather than a nice plate of roasted peppers that had been sitting out for an hour, or an unpasturized, artisinal cheese, bugs the s**t out of me!

I will tell a funny story though. A few years back, I was in NYC at a little pastry shop on the Lower East Side. Having recently taken my 8 hr food certificaton course in L.A., I had to inquire about the cheesecakes that were sitting out, unrefrigerated, uncovered on the counter. "Excuse me" I said to the counterman, "how long have these cakes been sitting here?" He looked at me like I was nuts and said "Forever - that's where we always keep the cheesecakes!"

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My personal favorite is getting busted for butter not at 41 degrees. I am sorry, but during service I leave the butter out so that it is not rock hard for our customers (I hate trying to spread rock hard butter onto bread. Well, it must be tossed out. Also for making creme fraiche which must set out at room temp to sour and thicken. Even though I know how to make it, since I couldn't provide the Health Inspector with a written recipe documenting that it must sit at room temp it had to be thrown out
Heh, I would have gone after that food inspector in a tornado of teeth and fingernails!

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Old 04-04-2002, 09:08 PM
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The worst thing you can is attack a health inspector's judgement, as I stated earlier. You really want to make friends with these people as much as possible. Yes, that means swallowing your pride, yes, that means listening to someone who knows absolutely nothing about food. And then you have to AGREE with them. If not, they can make your life a living ****, and believe me, I have met health inspector's that are not above being vindictive. On the other hand, if you befriend them they can be a wealth of knowledge about health codes and what changes are going to take place in the upcoming months. I also guarnetee that the nicer you are to them, the less you will see them or another city employee. Trust me on this one. Once, when I was an Exec. Sous chef at this older restaurant, I made friends with the health inspector that covered my area. We became so chummy one time he told me that if I wanted any new equipment such as stoves or coolers (our stuff was really old) just say the word, and he would give it an extremely detailed inspection that he was sure wouldn't pass. Needless to say, I passed on that one. I sure didn't need to get involved in that.
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Pete - Martha Stewart has a written recipe for creme fraiche in her HoDo book - and what health inspector would dare to argue with 'Mother Martha'!!!!!
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