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spoiled meat recipes?

post #1 of 14
2/29/04 at 3:29pm
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i was wondering if anyone know of any recipes for spoiled meat (i.e., to prepare a meat gone rancid for consumption)? i have heard of such a thing, but thus far have been fruitless in my search for any.

to be honest, my interest lies more in the domain of history rather than culinary arts but i thought this would be an excellent place to throw out my query.

anyone with any serious information can email me at worker11811@hotmail.com .

thank you very much!

dave
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post #2 of 14
2/29/04 at 3:38pm
Ok, you have piqued my interest.

What and why are you seeking rancid meat recipes?

As history goes, preserving meats was the interest of most, although there must be something out there in regards to rancid meats, perhapes HACCPs web page can help :D
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post #3 of 14
2/29/04 at 6:42pm
You would want to read on the Inuit people and Eskimo culture as they practice the consumpution of rancid meat.
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post #4 of 14
3/1/04 at 2:06am
Hi vinacava.

I will see what I can do for this I have a book in mind. In the mean time I am asking any of our members that have info to post it here apart from e-mailing vinacava, I am sure that everybody wants to learn. :)
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post #5 of 14
3/1/04 at 3:17am
Thread Starter 

wow

i'm glad to see some response to this! to answer cape chef's query, yes, meat preservation has always been a foremost concern throughout man's culinary history. however, there were many opportunities in our earlier times for meat to go bad and no other option to get fresher replacements. specifically, in times of famine and drought.

where i first heard about the possibility for a recipe to exist was in the context of homesteading in the american west. oftentimes, these families were left with only what was in the pantry, or rather, the root cellar; while they had to wait to go to town, which was usually 2-3 days ride for these folks. although it's more likely that they would just go without meat for a few days, there is the remote possibility that some developed a way to essentially "re-cure" their meat once it had spoiled.

enough for now, but it is quite fascinating. thanks again for all your help!

d

oh, and about the eskimo peoples, i believe that may be more myth than fact. although they are the only known culture to have a completely meat diet, eskimos generally cured their meats immediately upon acquiring it. the myth may stem from foreigners unused to their curing methods, which i've tasted for myself and do have a stronger, more bitter flavour.
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post #6 of 14
3/3/04 at 5:39pm
To respond to Nikos post well yes , the Inuit or Eskimos do have a practice of eating rancid meat ! Some people swear to the health benefits of eating this meat as it is a festoon of spoilage bacteria and they feel this helps them ! Who knows ? All I know is that when you are sick and dying most people will try anything to stay alive . Ill pass on the practice myself ! But it is true if you have been in the biz long enough . As Bourdaine said in his book watch out for fish on mondays , and specials !
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post #7 of 14
3/4/04 at 6:54pm
There are many cultures that use "controlled spoilage" as part of curing. My grandfather talks of curing hams, then burying them, digging them up months later, cutting off the outside and having beautifully cured ham. I believe that other cultures have similar recipes.
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post #8 of 14
3/5/04 at 2:16pm
Remember the maggoty cheese? :eek:
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post #9 of 14
5/1/04 at 12:16pm

I sure do

I remember reading about the maggoty cheese, Mezz. Gross! I also remember reading a newspaper article a few years back that stated that if people ate raw or spoiled meat from infancy, it would never make them sick in adulthood. I won't have any, thank you:) But it did make me wonder about dogs. Animals eat spoiled meat all the time and don't get sick. A dog has a lot in common with humans as far as digestion and health needs are concerned. They even take a lot of the same medications.
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post #10 of 14
6/2/04 at 6:13am
The northern Thai make sausages out of rice and pork and then ferment them... actually come to think of it.. shrimp paste and fish sauce are both fermented products.
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post #11 of 14
6/11/04 at 11:32am

Cooking with rancid meats

:chef: While we no longer used spoiled food in most modern cooking, many classic reciepes evolved out of the practice of the chef/cooks trying to use up spoiled foods. American Chili for example--the cooks of the wagon trains heading west would use up rancid beef by adding spices (to hide the rancid taste & smell) and beens to made the chili. Creamed Chipped Beef has a simialar origin. :eek:
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post #12 of 14
6/12/04 at 7:26pm
My grandmother was Scottish... being from a poor family and in the depression... often the cheapest meat to get was the toughest/chewiest cut and she often cooked rancid meat... particulary beef and chicken... I can remember seeing it hanging in the larder... waiting for it to turn a pretty greenish colour... and then it being used for stews and soups, watching her wash and clean it and toss it in the pot...

AussieKris
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post #13 of 14
6/20/04 at 6:03am
Guys you beat me to the rancid whale meat.....but also there was garum which was the base of a lot of Roman cooking...this is fermented fish guts n stuff & acted as an all in one spice,not unlike the nampla of oriental cooking today.
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post #14 of 14
7/4/04 at 12:33pm
I just have to throw something in here- before anyone gets any ideas. Once meat has spoiled, there is no way to "cook out" the bacteria. Spoiled meat generally contains staphylococcus which is in fact killed when meat is cooked above 165 degrees, however, a spore forms around the bacteria which is toxic and heat stable.

I had to add that because I remember as a kid working in kitchens where the cooks would tell you if you cooked spoiled meat that it killed the bacteria. These were the same guys who rinsed off spoiled fish with vinegar.
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