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post #31 of 104
i am creeped out that there is even a show like this on the air. we've thought about fn and decided no,
since public tv has a lot of good ckg shows. now i'm glad!!!!!! is this broad
from h***? this concept is straight out of a jane and michael stern book!
post #32 of 104
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It's part of the "dumbing down' of TVFN...

TVFN has decided that hardcore foodies are simply not enough. They are making concerted efforts to woo viewers who wouldn't describe themselves as accomplished or even avid cooks. Pros? Forget it. There are so few shows left on TVFN that really teach straightforward cooking anymore.

TVFN is barely a shadow of its former self.

Just picture ESPN airing Wedding Garter Catching and calling it sports.

TVFN was already doing Semi-Homemade - it's called 30 Minute Meals which is, far and away, the better show. I'd much prefer something made with frozen vegetables than LaChoy in the can.
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post #33 of 104
Hey oh

Hands UP!! All those that have buried a mother, sister, daughter, aunt, grand mom having DIED of cancer.

Really, when a bottle of shampoo can contain "real extracts of..." and boxed food only contains long lists of latin words.......

I have NO idea HOW many of those latin words have been banned in my life time. There have simply been too many of them.

Frankly, those shows are JUST as dangerous as shows like Fear Factor, and SHOULD be plastered with warnings. It isn't food. Its a powder in a box.
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post #34 of 104
Today Sandy made a "meal" with a cue ball theme (how do they think of these themes and who does this stuff?!) refrigertor bread dough, sage sausage, packet of Mexican taco seasoning and peppers made to resemble a pool ball rack. I can't imagine sage breakfast sausage with mexican seasoning, but, this is SandySlop.

Then she makes pre-made, frozen meatballs in a thick vomit-like gravy. Oh, her secret ingredient in the gravy? Sour cream. Since when is that a big secret? It looked absolutely gruesome.

To top off this stomach turner, she made a chocolate hazelnut torte (thing).
Two boxes of chocolate pudding, lots of eggs, batter was poured on top of chopped hazelnuts. Some people should not be allowed to even say "chocolate"! At least she didn't throw cool whip on it, but I bet she wanted to.

I agree that FN is sinking low in their choice of "chef" and shows. Has anyone else noticed that lately Rachael Ray is getting very loud and hyper. Makes her voice really grate on the nerves. What is she on? Even 30 min. meals is getting to be a difficult alternative.
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post #35 of 104
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ROFLMAO!

That's called Emerilizing. Soon, Rachel Ray will have her own sitcom that will flop after three episodes. It's a shame. RR's got some good ideas for people to eat fast and well - which is especially important during weekdays.

TVFN has no clue how to manage their "stable." They nuke Martha's show - some real, straightforward cooking instruction by someone who knows how to do it - and offer garbage like Semi-Homemade featuring an implant jiggling, self-proclaimed "non cook" hack who has no place anywhere within a mile of a Kitchen Aid. Now they're overexposing Rachel Ray. They're not going to be happy until they are featuring IHOPs as "Food Finds."
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post #36 of 104
Chiff, you are so right! TVFN replaced a credible show with SLop and are now trying to make RR into a superstar. The problem is that RR is just getting obnoxiously "ain't I so cute", and Sandy Bunny Cakes is making mealtime an excrutiating experience in many households, I fear. As well as providing unintentional comedy. :D

Oh, gotta go, I'm making a meatloaf - I think I have some twizzlers left over from Halloween and cool whip, maybe I'll make it a Bunny Meatloaf to go with my Cute Animals theme! :p
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post #37 of 104
We have to remember that the Food Network is not about promoting the level of quality that we, as professionals uphold. The Food Network is about ratings and ultimately, makaing money. And there are FAR more amateur cooks out there and people who want shortcuts and on;t want to cook, than there are professionals.

Nevertheless, I like watching Sandra Lee.

I think she's hot! Her little witch costume at halloween gave me a better rise than my souffle!

Mark
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post #38 of 104
Mark, I agree with you except that I think even amatuer cooks should learn to make a meal without using loads of processed, nasty stuff. It is just as easy to learn how to make a roux which can then be used for many things, than to open a can of cream of mushroom soup.

BTW, I suspect Sandy's boobs are semi-homemade also! LOL ;)
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post #39 of 104
She probably bought the "Boobs-In-A-Box" kit online.
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post #40 of 104
Would that be the one with the instruction "add water to desired consistency"?
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post #41 of 104
No, "Boobs-In-A-Box comes with a mini turkey baster and a box of Jell-O (more realistic than water).
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post #42 of 104
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No one expected the TVFN to teach how to glove bone a turkey but making a basic stock or properly roasting a chicken hardly takes a culinary degree. Depending on boxes of shelf-stable garbage is not the way to teach others to cook a simple meal.

As for the "semi-homemade" assets of the Trophy Wife, we, the anti-Sandra contingent refer to them as Puddin' Cups. On one of her original shows, Sandra dem0nstrated how to make a Tiramisu using pudding snacks. The moniker just worked itself out from there.
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post #43 of 104
...another example of how SLop is bad for amateur cooks is her Safari Dinner. She used pre-cooked chicken breasts. She dropped them in a pan, and a minute later, poured wine in to "deglaze". DEGLAZE WHAT???

Then she took the whole mess out when the chicken could not possibly have been heated through yet, wine was still raw, she put some mango slices on the chicken and called it "zebra chicken."

I don't think I'm a food snob by any means. I have no problem with taking a shortcut or even microwaving a frozen something as desired, but do we really need a how-to program that cant even do that right?

As Rachael Ray is seriously on my nerves now, I am down to Paula Deen and her stop your heart, high fat southern cooking, and Gaida (Little Big Head) and Everyday Italian. Their recipes are pretty simple most of the time, look good, and have better instruction for any cook.

Little Big Head's mozzarella sticks are great, my current family fav. :lips:
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post #44 of 104
Once again I must point out that FNTV is not in the business of educating, they are really in the business of entertaining, though it takes the guise of education. They sell what the majority of their viewers want. These shows don't make it on the air without a lot of research and test marketing. It is obvious that the majority of the people want this crap. Someone mentioned ESPN in an earlier post. It used to be that every once, in a great, while, late at night, they would show the professional poker championships, now they have them plastered all over the place. You know that the hardcore sport freaks just hate it, but it's what the general public wants. As long as these shows make FNTV lots of money, they will continue to air them. As a chef I am appalled by them, but if I were a shareholder I would care less as long as it brought revenue in. The Execs. at FNTV have no responsibility to teach the public how to cook, from scratch. Their responsibility is to their shareholders only. To turn a profit. Yes it is sad, but don't blame FNTV, they are just giving the public what they want.
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post #45 of 104
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And once again I must point out that for better or worse TVFN began its life portraying itself as the place to tune to learn how to cook. This image remained intact for nearly 10 years with minimal fluff shows. Its decision to segue from this philosophy is where it lost its integrity and its credibility.

Now TVFN has decided not to air Sarah Moulton - they lost Ming Tsai, David Rosengarten and Martha Stewart (to jettison Martha was a terrible blunder in judgment). Who's next? Mario? Ina?

TVFN's descent into powdered and canned food is akin to Whole Foods deciding to sell Hamburger Helper "to increase its customer base."

Re: Big Head...LOL. I can watch her show anytime unless she cooks spaghetti. If I hear her say spaghitti one more time, I'm going to kick the TV.

I'm classically trained; have learned at the elbow of both parents who are phenomenal cooks (and have a brother who cooks); have owned a restaurant and continue to be an avid home cook and baker. If I had my druthers I'd again be a restaurant owner or a bakery owner but alas, I'm being held prisoner in Florida by my family (who love it here) and there's already too much food here for an independent to be competitive. I still get jazzed when I see something or read something that teaches me something new. And that used to be possible watching the old TVFN. There's so little worth watching now, it's nearly impossible. It's gotten so out of hand, there's barely a place for new cooks to learn the basics!

On another board, I suggested that the recently emancipated worthwhile chefs should start their own network and give people a choice between garbage fluff shows and actual cooking instruction. It could be a throwback to when TVFN was actually worth watching. The only one with that kind of loot is Martha and right now she's in repair mode. who knows...Maybe in a year or two after she reaps the benefits of her "new more approachable" image she'll be in a position to begin such a project. God, I hope so.

Rescue budding cooks from the likes of Shamdra Lee and her puddin' cups.
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post #46 of 104
That was when FNTV first started out, in only the major cities. They were pretty small time back then. Now they are pretty standard on all cable networks, and that has changed them. Don't get me wrong. I agree, most of the stuff is crap. I used to love half of their programing line up, now I only watch 3-4 shows, not counting some of their specials. But the point remains, they air what the majority of people want them to air. Believe me, if people wanted the "old format" back and stopped tuning in, then FNTV would change their programing back, but obviously this crap is what most people want. So you all can bemoan the demise of FNTV but they are doing what they set out to do, make money. If you can't stand it that much, then vote with your remote. Turn off FNTV. If enough people feel like the people here and vote with their remote then things will change, but, unfortunately, I believe that the people here are in the minority. And please don't use FNTV as a scapegoat for the decline in the culinary education of our society. They are a symptom, not the cause.
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post #47 of 104
Why is Giada known as "little big head?"

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post #48 of 104
Now, that sounds like it would be an interesting topic to discuss all on its own. I agree, food is no longer what it was. Family traditions and lifestyle and economy and refridgeration all have changed food so much in a very short time.

By ways of example. My mom and dad were bourn in 1941. My mom used a glass scrub board to wash laundry by hand untill her teens when her parents were able to afford a washing machine. She also bought things like chickens, from the market butcher. If she wanted that chicked dressed she had to pay an extra dollar, and often didn't have that much money, which ment it was up to her to kill and clean them herself. My fathers first job was as an ice cutter. Yes, that is exactly what he did, with a saw, on the lake, in winter. The ice that was cut was sold for iceboxes. He, and many people of his generation, didn't have an electric fridge.

I have a very hard time imagineing the life as kids they lived, especially concidering this is the life they lived post war here in Canada. The idea that if I wanted a carrot in winter I would have to go outside to a cold house to dig some carrots out of a sand box, and that by late winter they were pretty nasty..... *shakes head* Is it any wonder a whole generation pounced on things like TV dinners?

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post #49 of 104
TVFN is obviously going for ratings, not quality.

MarkV: Giada is called Little Big Head (LBL) because her head is too big for her tiny body. She is a good cook, though, and is gorgeous, but her head is just too **** big! :o
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post #50 of 104
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So in other words, whenever a product declines, it's best to just stop using it instead of possibly giving feedback which might return it to its orginal luster? I've never found that to be true of anything worth saving.

If the time comes when a new culinary network is created that more resembles what TVFN was when it started out, with quality, instructional programming - I'll be jumping ship right along with everyone else who thinks TVFN has gone to s**t. For the time being, though, it might be worthwhile to try and fix what has obviously become broken.
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post #51 of 104
Chiff, you missed my point entirely. I have never said, if its broken do not fix it. I am saying that we, as chefs and foodies, may see it as being broken, but maybe the teaming masses don't see it that way. Maybe to them it is just right. For them, they may prefer the entertainment value, the pretty faces, the simple, convenience food laden recipes. These people seem to prefer the crappy fluff that FNTV puts out. I never said not to make your voice heard. Im just saying that your voice may be that of the minority, and don't expect them to change for that minority. But let's face it, the teaming masses (I never claimed they were right or even very bright) don't want instructional TV unless it entertains, and they want it delivered by witty, beautiful people. Julia, Jeff Smith, Graham Kerr, and all the others of early, PBS cooking shows would have never made it today. They are not beautiful enough, trendy enough, or witty enough. ****, look at what has happened to TLC (loaded with Makeover Story, Dating Story, Wedding Story, etc.) or The Discovery Channel (Monster Garage, Monster House, American Chopper, etc.). These sure aren't the stations they once were, but as disgusted by the majority of their programming as I am, I still find something worthwhile on those channels.
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post #52 of 104
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That's just it...for the first 10 years of TVFN, my voice echoed those in the 100 percentile! This "expansion" in an attempt to broaden the audience to include people who don't cook is a mistake. TVFN Management took a good thing for people who cook and are trying to make it a "generic" thing to include those who don't care about cooking.

Programming doesn't have to be 100% instructional - the "challenges" like Pizza and Wedding Cake are definitely of interest to those who cook. It's the low-quality junk like Semi-Homemade that has serious viewers convinced that TVFN has lost its marbles.

I don't watch ESPN because I am not interested in sports - and those who cook are turning away from TVFN because it has less and less to do with cooking. Luckily, we TIVO everything and watch at our convenience, so a good part of my disgust with TVFN is expressed in the form of head shaking while looking at my DirecTV guide. There is less and less worth watching on TVFN and they should not have bailed on their original, dedicated audience.
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post #53 of 104
...my only fear in the TVFN evolution is that good, but less pretty and perky cooks, will not be on anymore. If you saw Rachael Ray on earlier shows, she was much more normal and there was only an occassional giggle. Now, she's so put on and excruciatingly perky that I can't stand to watch her even though I think she is a good cook.

SandySlop has no place on any cooking channel. Especially for novice cooks. She is a hazard to learning about food and cooking.

I've been watching the Create channel more these days. They have Jacques, Ming, Lidia, and some interesting veggie/wholistic chefs on and it's more about food and cooking and less about being cute.

I find myself watching TVFN more for laughs than instruction or new recipes. I hope you're wrong about the masses preferring this fluff, but we'll see. :confused:
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post #54 of 104
Speaking of the "good ole days" of the Food Network, when there was better quality programming, do you guys remember "Michael's Place" with chef Michael Lomonaco? It was on in the mid 90's.

I loved that show. I was new to cooking then and I learned a lot from him. I still have quit a few of his recipes from back then that I continue to make to this day.

I always hoped he would have another show but I'm afraid we're far more likely to get stuck with some ditzy, semi-professional, who uses bouillon cubes in place of stock, on some reality TV/game show/food show appealing to the masses of people who only want to spend 30 minutes in a kitchen.

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post #55 of 104
Yes, MarkV, I remember Lomonaco. He is great. Not only a terrific chef, but a real nice guy. I know someone who worked as his pastry chef at Windows on the World and they had a great experience working with him. He sometimes guests on other shows now. I always look forward to seeing him cook.

I don't think FN will give him a show again unless he has some pretty, useless, young gal sitting in a chair asking him dumb questions and announcing breaks (How to Boil Water).

:mad:
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post #56 of 104
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ITA about RR. She's a good cook - that's true. But unfortunately, TVFN personalities tend to morph into a 24/7 version of what TVFN molds them to be. All anyone remembers Emeril for is "pork fat rules" and "bam." He's so much more than that.

Sweet Jesus, can I get an AMEN? :bounce:

OK, spill the beans! Where does one find the Create channel? Is it offered by a specific broadcast company (like Comcast or DirecTV) or is it available to all??

Semi-Ho is definitely for laughs and nothing else. As for Big Head and Ina and only enough other decent cooks to be counted on one hand, I still glean the occasional gem from them making their shows worth my time. As for TVFN trying to appeal to the masses by offering mindless fluff, it was probably the decision of a "business" person and not the suggestion of a "culinary" person. Culinary people should always be running TVFN. Bean counters can remain in their support role but TVFN should always be about quality culinary programming.
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post #57 of 104
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You mean like Jacqui Malouf? She's the most useless appendage since Claudine Pepin.
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post #58 of 104
Jacqui Malouf is necessary because Bobby Flay can't produce an intelligent sentence. He has the verbal skills of an above average Down's Syndrome child. He is often at a loss for words and can't articulate the nuances of various culinary procedures. And he's not going to win any personality contests with his narcissism. I saw him way back when on Ming Sai's show and he acted condescending and disrespectful.

He is a good chef but he NEEDS a verbal crutch.

But your point is well taken Chiff and shows like "How to boil water" are a perfect example. The dorky blonde on that show does nothing but distract from the show. The only reason I watch it is because I think Tyler Florence is so good.
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post #59 of 104
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I find shows with unnecessary distractions like you describe to be downright uncomfortable to watch because they're so stupid. I tried watching Cooking with Claudine ONCE before I re-named it Cooking In Front Of Claudine. I switched the channel when Claudine asked Jacques "What is that, basil?" No it's spinach you mental midget. :rolleyes:

Neither DH (a Corporate Chef) nor I can stomach Bobby Flay. Believe it or not, I formed an opinion of him when I saw him jump in the cutting board at the Iron Chef battle V. Morimoto. I'm sorry. No matter how good you are with a knife, don't put your shod feet where food will be.
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post #60 of 104
I love Jacques and I didn't mind Claudine. At least she has wine knowledge and explained the pairing of wine with whatever Daddy made. Same for Lidia's son Joe. Actually Lidia gives poor Joe all the dirty work when he appears occassionally on her show. I remember when she had him clean a load of squid and the look he gave her when she told him to. :D

In these two cases at least there's a warm, real, family thing going on. On HTBW, nothing of the kind! Tyler always seems annoyed, condescending, or something and Jack is reduced to tasting and announcing breaks. They're not related, don't even seem like friends. Just, no reason to have them together.

Create is channel 133 on my direct. It's not all food, though. There's some pretty good home improvement, sewing, painting, shows too.
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