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post #1 of 94
Thread Starter 
Can I request a moratorium on Rachel Ray bashing? Don't get me wrong - I am not a fan by any means but you need to underetand her perspective.

Most of us on this board are pretty enthusiastic about cooking, not to say fanatical in some cases. Rachel's target audience is people who are the complete antithesis of us - people who do not like to cook. That being so, it's only natural that we would find some of her methods questionable but for her audience it makes perfect sense.

Jock
post #2 of 94
I will second that motion.

Regards Cakerookie..........
post #3 of 94
Alrighty then! It's back to Sandra Lee!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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My latest musical venture!
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http://www.myspace.com/popshowband "I'm at the age when food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table." Rodney Dangerfield RIP
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post #4 of 94
Who is bashing Rachel Ray? I didn't see the thread.
post #5 of 94
Jock, I am with you on this as well, I watch her shows sometimes and I do like the 30 dollar a day show.
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post #6 of 94
Kuan, it's no one thread. Do a search on Rachel Ray and scan a few threads. I did it out of curiosity after I read you're post.

Tony
post #7 of 94
I'm all for not bashing her anymore, let's just keep bashing the whole station. I can probably name 15 people in the public eye and some of their regulars doing something related to FN who haven't shown they can boil an egg. Did I see at least 2 people who used to host kiddie shows with their own food show?
Any professional who doesn't think this whole FN entertainment concept is making a mockery of our art is still asleep.
And how greedy can some of the popular more experienced chefs be to participate in some of the stupidest slams on the art.
I'm having trouble trying to think of other reality or competetive show that mocks one certain profession by letting people take a shot at being someone in our industry. There must be plenty but just can't get by all this cripper.
Let's see, maybe some personality can play Cop, prison guard, lawyer, accountant etc.
sorry

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post #8 of 94
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I'm with you Pan; the whole FN thing just leaves me cold. People who know of my interest in food assume I must be glued to it and the truth is I can't stand it. I have expressed the view many times that a genuine attempt to teach on TV is perfectly acceptable (Lydia, Jaques, Julia and others) but purely as a source of entertainment it is a travesty.

Jock
post #9 of 94

rr

who watched rachel ray for cooking??:blush:
post #10 of 94
:rolleyes:

I mentioned her in a post lately, but I certainly wasn't bashing her. She's great for her target audience. I, however, am not her target audience. And I don't think there are many of us here that fall into that category.
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barbeque? I should be queen.
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post #11 of 94
Why do people want to bash Ms Ray? She is successful in what she does. More successful than me. I don't hold that against her. I don't watch the show or for that matter FTV. But this cycle of watching television with disatisfaction then having to purge oneself of the experience seems a little strange to me. By the fact that you view it shows support for the network. We all want to think that we are the best and that the people we see in the media are somehow not more skilled just luckier. Give it up. We choose where we are and success comes from the work involved in getting and maintaining it. I haven't bought any celebrity chef cookbooks, Emerilware, or bought cable to watch cooking shows. But for everybody who does- Go nuts!
What a relief! To find out after all these years that I'm not crazy. I'm just culinarily divergent...
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What a relief! To find out after all these years that I'm not crazy. I'm just culinarily divergent...
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post #12 of 94
Now, Ray Ray, please tell us again, what does EVOO stand for again?
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post #13 of 94
Amen.
Regards Cakerookie
post #14 of 94
You know, it's funny that some people think that Rachael Ray makes a "mockery" of our art... but... the funny thing is that even within our art there are superiority complexes... I mean there are many cultures who view their style of cuisine to be superior (for whatever reason...)

The fact is that Rachael Ray doesn't even ADDRESS the culinary arts... she simply shows people that they can do more themselves than they thought... I think alot of her recipes and ideas are somewhat rudimentary, but she never professes to out-chef anyone either.

People who view Rachael Ray as a mocker need to take a serious, hard look at what their own standards are and why they began cooking to begin with... There are no absolutes, no one can ever be completely right with their perspective... why? because you might like broccoli and I might not... simple as that. The "perfection" of food is subject only to the taste buds of the person eating it.

-Jason
post #15 of 94
Thread Starter 
I have a calendar on my office wall that defines Compromise like this:

"Let's agree to respect each other's views, no matter how wrong yours might be."

:D

Jock
post #16 of 94
You know we can agree to disagree on this Rachael Ray and Food Network deal until the cows come home. Whenever that might be. Its becoming pretty obvious to me that no one will ever agree on whos right and whos wrong. I think the whole perspective has gotten totally blown out of whack. Well with all due respect to everyone in the community here.Old Cakerookie is bowing out of these Food Network threads. Namely because I cannot be subjective and non partial in this area. And I am not into stepping on toes to prove a point.

Regards Cakerookie
post #17 of 94
See, that's your problem... you need to wear steel toe boots.. :P

-J
post #18 of 94
You know I used to like Rachel Ray. Never really watched her cooking show though for obvious reasons. I do like $40 a day, but only because I like seeing where she goes. I do have a bone though that $40 a day for one person seems like a lot of money to be spending on food. That might be because I am poor or I am cheap or I am a combination of the 2 :D.
Personally I think the real problem with Rachel Ray and Emeril and the whole Food Network thing is the same problem that radio has. Someone will come out with a good song or show that everybody likes to some extent and the programmers ram it down our throats constantly as if we are the geese being fed for fois gras:lips: until we just can't stands it no more! A song or a show we may have liked a month or two ago now seems to be on everytime we turn on the tube or the radio, and then it gets repeated and repeated until we're ready to break the tv/radio or chop off their heads if we see them on the street!
My latest musical venture!
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http://www.myspace.com/popshowband "I'm at the age when food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table." Rodney Dangerfield RIP
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My latest musical venture!
http://myspace.com/nikandtheniceguys
 
Also
http://www.myspace.com/popshowband "I'm at the age when food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table." Rodney Dangerfield RIP
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post #19 of 94

going mtv way

seems like shortly to see food shows we will actually have to wait till wee hours of morning or lousy timings or different channels other than foodtv

(this has been oft repeated) just like mtv - to see music videos u need to either get on internet, or check bet or check out mtv after the whole world has gone asleep

all day long its real world, pimp my ride, blind date, .....

can some one pass some beer please! this thread is getting too serious...
post #20 of 94
Would not do any good.D*** stuff always lands behind the steel..........
post #21 of 94

I heard there's a Ray Bash happening

Rachel Ray gets paid pfat cash to show viewers how to open jars, cans, and boxes of store bought stuff. What the h*ll kind of audience are thay forking over major loot for to attract? I think R.R. needs a new program slot, like right after the paid for TV commercials around 4:00am when the stoners are starting to get the munchies, but too lazy to cook. Her show flat out su*ks!
post #22 of 94
She's one of THE most annoying personalities on television today. I really couldn't remember all that many discussions where people were bashing Rachel Ray. But after doing a search...I still didn't see alot of bashing...most commented on her looks or too bubbly of a personality. I don't know???

Hey...you brought it up...not me :)

take care,

dan
post #23 of 94

Rachel Ray

Personally, I like her a lot. EVOO (Extra Virgin Olive Oil). I think that's cool. I have learned some stuff on FN. Also on PBS. I watch both all the time. But that's me. I was just a Mess Sergeant in the Army. So, I don't have the culinary expertise that you all have. I continue to learn though. To me, anyone can teach someone something new. It doesn't matter the source. As long as you learned something. It's like in the Army, you're all part of my team. Someone always has something to offer to make the team better. As long as the mission (the meal) is accomplished it doesn't matter how. What matters is that smile on the soldier's face when they bite into your food.
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post #24 of 94
Goodness Dale, what an intensely charming post you have given us. We do what we can (pun not intended), don't we. Some things are just simply not available in parts of our world, not even the canned variety. RR drives me mad, but thats OK, I have the remote, and no-one can deny she is a fine looking woman. Very striking indeed. But I cannot get on with manipulators, and the shows with her Dad, sister, and brother were too much for me. Dadeeeeeeeeeeee. She was careful with her brother, but dominated her sister, when she should have been promoting and presenting her. She made her sister look like the little grey wren that cleans the loos at church every week. I consider that behavior outrageous. Cruel, even. That really my only beef with her, although I would love to see her doing the washing up after. ;Þ
post #25 of 94

Rachel Ray

Diane,
I most certainly agree with the washing up after handling any food. That is one area where FN is lacking. I was taught it was at least 30 seconds in the suds. I don't even see them using soap. A quick rinse just doesn't cut the mustard with me. No gloves either? I wouldn't eat any of their food. Although in the Army we didn't have gloves in the field. We just washed, washed and washed some more. Lot's of dust and nasty critters in the field. We even inspected the hands of the soldiers in the field to make sure that they washed.

I haven't seen the episodes with her family. So, I have no comment. Otherwise, I think she's nice. Take care and have a nice day!
Dale Angelo Iannello
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post #26 of 94
Thought I would chime in here, hope you don't mind :rolleyes: Been gone for awhile.

I think with a few constructive comments from professionals, perhaps the food network could blossom. Already I have seen some subtle improvements, in addition to new venues that are entertaining and geared toward an audience that is home, not in a professional kitchen. Rachel has made me smile with her enthusiasm on a number of occaisions, and yes I admit I have stood there with hands on hips shaking my head at times as well. It is entertainment -- and I have said this before, with broadcasting comes responsibility. So, perhaps we can attempt to help educate instead of bash if we choose to focus on or throw attention in the direction of the food network and its cooks / chefs / entertainers.

When I am in critic mode, I try to be honest, not hurtful. Granted, I have given a few negative reviews. I also give glowing credit where it is due. All in all, my main reason for doing any of this (besides the fact that I get to eat great food, meet a wide variety of people, and work on my communication skills ;-) is because I want to help in any capacity that I am capable and utilize what I have learned and accomplished in a direction that will facilitate growth in an industry / facet of life that has provided me with so much that I am grateful for.

Just my two cents. Hope it helps. Please excuse typos/spelling I am in a bit of a hurry this morning -- planting lots more citrus / grapes etc and need to set up a drip system!

Cheers!
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post #27 of 94
LOL, isn't that the truth. Hand and utensil washing will always remain our first defence, against the greeblies. It makes me laugh like a drain when I see people in McDs. Go to the loo, open the door, which is crawling with microbes from the person before adjusting their haemorrhoids. By pass the taps because of a perception of dirty taps (quite right) and go out to eat chips etc. with their fingers. The only way to cut the cross infection, (and I haven't even mentioned door handles) is to have auto taps and soap dispensers OUTSIDE the bathrooms and in full view of everyone else. As the Arabs do. And Indians. Peer pressure. My grandmother and her burgeoning family, lived through the 1918 influenze epidemic that carried off so many, without the least taint of infection. Handwashing, always. And if you can, dry tea (or kitchen) towels in the sunlight. And have plenty. Today, I would suggest properly used face masks too, there are more of us. I did too much time in the infectious diseases after graduation. The principles are simple, just stop and think, but Never deviate from them. ;Þ
post #28 of 94
Oh sorry, got all carried away in the other direction. The TV cooks have not tv time to wash hand properly, I expect they do it in the bits that are clipped out.
post #29 of 94

To each thier own...

Personally, I don't care for her...or Emeril. For the most part, I feel there are very few chefs on the network that I feel could hold there own in an actual restaurant. I enjoy the knowledge Both Mario Batali, and Alton Brown(My fav) share. I enjoy learning not just a recipie, but learning how, and why.

I like the fast pace and constant evolution of Iron Chef, the foriegn, and the U.S. version. I like PBSs' "create" line up of food based tv, and feel that there line up is more informative then alot of the Food Networks lineup.

Anywho, not "bashing" Rachel Ray, just not my cup of tea. But I can't help but wonder, How the H*** did SHE get a show?
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post #30 of 94
You get asked that too !!! It is the first thing people say to me after they know my job. I recently tuned it in because my responses must really sound stupid when people start listing the shows and celebrity chefs I have never heard of.
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