Hells Kitchen

Pans Heat!!!!

Never seen this guy Pan supposedly he is one of Britians top chefs. Went to the bookstore today and saw a book by him but did'nt buy it. Got to be something to it though for it to ruffle your feathers. Not crazy about a show that is formatted on military basic training I did mine and do not want to do it agian. Calm down Pan your blood pressure is rising!:rolleyes:

As callus and rude as he is, the show is like a bad accident...I want to see it, just not sure if I should.

It's hard to believe that hot heads like that don't get shot prior to become all "supa star"!

I really like the show, and that's the ONLY reality TV that I'll watch.

We have all seen hopelessly inept people somehow get hired to work in restaurants. Also being in the biz for as long as most of us here have, you do get the sense that you could blow the doors off of the other contestants and at the very least make it to the finals, if not win hands down.

I am used to doing 100 hour weeks, behind the line 90% of the time, and on my butt 2% of the time. So seeing the ****'s kitchen contestants moan and groan when they need to wake up at 4AM after a midnight finish also makes me feel pretty good about myself.

I am unemployed right now and evaluating what the **** I am doing with my career. I just sent FOX an email to see how I'd make it into season 3. Fat chance, but it only costs an email to find out.

Wish me luck, I won't pare a steak with a pear like they did in season one.

I got halfway through an episode a year or so ago and turned it off, pissed. That guy is a butthead.

Tony

I will agree that the guy is rude, overbearing, and full of himself. But I like the show. I am really looking forward to it. I would rather watch Ramseys television inspired tantrums, than another Dateline special about online predators or another episdoe of S.V.U. about child pornographers. At least Ramsey is a escape from the the ugly reality of this world.

Well Panini, the episode I was watching he took a plate of food and mashed it into the cooks chest, all the while screaming insults. It would take a brave man to try that in most kitchens I've been in. Screaming maybe, but food on the chest and all hells breaking loose. He's a good culinarian, O.K. Terrell Owens is a good wide reciever. (and Panini, he's Dallas' problem now) but I don't care much for adults throwing tantrums.

Tony

You know I have never seen this program but from what I am reading I won't either. Pan TO might make a good addition to Dallas if he and Bledsoe can hook up and get on the same page.

Best Regards Cakerookie...

I worked with a couple of PAtrick Ramsey types. Outside of the kitchen they can be as nice as anyone you'll ever be, when they are in the kitchen they turn into Dr. Jekyll. It's part show, part gorilla like chest thumping and it's part ingrained training at a young age. It's very European too I might add, it's kind of like being in a fraternity. You get beaten and then you beat. Is it acceptable, **** no, does it really happen? **** yes. I think if the "people" that put these shows on the air actually had to spend time in a situation (doesn't have to be a kitchen, could be an office setting somewhere) with someone like Ramsey and it was actually their job and career on the line as opposed to a TV show prize on the line, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to make light off his antics. I agree wholeheartedly with Pan, but likely I will watch it because it brings back memories :crazy: :D

Hey Panini, I just went back a reread your first post. We're on the same page. That guy just bugs me.

Tony

Being an Army cook, I never treated my cooks with nothing but respect. If they got out of line I took them aside and counseled them. Cakerookie KNOWS that this guy would have had a blanket party a long time ago. Blanket parties seem to induce radical behaviour changes.

I like the show, but I don't like the focus on the drama and the yelling. He had, last season, a show where he gave a challenge to create a meal with some ingredients that were set. The participants all had the same stuff and they had to use everything they were given. I thought it an interesting challenge, but they didn't show the thought process of the participants and what they did to meet the challenge. Instead, they focused on the final taste and the reaction.

PBS did a similar show with a similar but less catchy name that focused on the talent of the participants. In that show, they all went to a local market somewhere to buy their ingredients. Then they were rated on the quality of what they came up with. There was a good bit of instruction to the participants that was shown in the show. The ones who listened to the instructions... use local ingredients, for example... did better.

And therein lies a major difference between PBS and Network tv. Sad but true.

And I just remember the name of the show... Cooking Under Fire.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cookingunderfire/

Anyone having been in the military knows about blanket parties and they are no fun if you are on the receiveing end. And Doc your right they do seem to induce radical behaviour changes and most people don't care to experience them twice.They have this word in the military called "Tact" and Doc knows what it means. This guy from what I have read so far has about as much of it has Godzilla had mercy on Tokyo which was very little. There is a right way and a wrong way to rake someone over the coals so to speak. If you want to destroy a persons moral and make them feel small jumping on them and yelling at them in front of their peers is no way to handle the situation. Just an opinion I am done now...

Best Regards Cakerookie...aka Rook

you go man, I'll bring a skillet:lol:

Tony

This guy has skills, but so do a ton of other chefs. I love his menus, but I also know at least a dozen chefs who can execute just as well.

Culinary TV gone arwy

Can anyone who cooks proffessionally possibly own a positive view about these TV programs??? I think they are all horrible and no where near real. They don't come anywhere near close of showing the public what being a cook is really like. And the attitudes?, I think all the dialougue is scripted and over-drama-tized. But, at the end of the day, I go home and have a few beers and don't worry so much about what silly American TV is saying to us. Who really cares in the end, except Pannini? Maybe some jealousy issue there. Yo, Pannini, man, relax and just do your thing. It's not like you have to personally answer to the inquisitive public for all of us. Relax, guey.

-Jaun

JD, 1) I'm quite sure where you come from and other parts of the world there is equally ridiculous TV, not to mention this idiot is from another country. We don't "worry" what "silly american tv" is saying to us. We worry about individual shows.
2) You have 4 posts so far which makes you new, chances are you then have missed the hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past (that are still available for viewing) that have gone off on not only this show, but many other idiotic shows that put the food industry in a bad light or give false impressions of what we do. Many, many people feel the same way Panini does, and they have said so. You mock him for disliking it and being vocal about it, but then you complain about how bad they are, and how bad they show your profession but then all you do is sit back with a beer and show your self proclaimed superiority by commenting how bad they are but you're above it because you can relax with a beer. So you are really just contradicting yourself, and using Pan's comment as a jumping point, to make a circular point that really makes no sense at all if you think about it.
So my unsolicited advice would be to sit back with your beer, make intelligent comments when you can, and don't try to impress us with your superiority by making unnecessary comments pointed at other board members.
In your own words; "Relax, guey."

Hey man, sorry about the extra "N". I did not mean to offend your very delicate constitution, my friend. You just came off sounding like you were ranting, dude, and you didn't really make much of a point. So what do you mean you'll "...relax when a line cook with 12 yrs experience make an equal salary"? That seemed to be out of context, but I'm curious now. Was that a dig toward labor from South of the boarder?

-Jaun

"I'm quite sure where you come from...", What are you saying dude? Where is it that you think I come from? Sheesh! This country just exudes prejduicial BS, man. I have Latino ansestry and I am an American citizen AND, I happen to be a very valuble cook to my employer. Where do you get off cornering me like that? Chinga tae, guey! You are full of many words that make you sound like you think you are more important than others. Oh, I only have "four posts...", so I can't speak my mind, but I have deal with semi racial directed garbage? Whatever, dude. You stereotype me, I do the same to you...I'm thinking, lazy white dude that get's paid more than me because maybe he went to some fancy school, but I could cook him under the table in a heartbeat. Am I in your hood now, bro?

Relax,
-Jaun

Juan, this is coming from another latino. You showed up, insulted several people, irritated many others (me included) and then claimed to be a victim. All in 7 posts. Take you own advice, relax.

Tony

Jaun,
This is an easy one. Relax, have a beer, and I'll tell you that "where I come from" is not where you think! First off, perhaps I made a mistake in where you were born, but you have a latino name, and you made a reference to Mexico in a post so I inferred, perhaps incorrectly that you were from Mexico. If you have "latino ancestry" that means that somewhere down the line your family came from a Latino country. If you were Pierre, and you made a reference to Paris, I might have assumed that you were french. Now You were the one who mentioned "American tv". How could that be construed as anything less than that you were from another country and felt superior that where you come from they don't have such "silliness". I simply called you out on the american tv phrase. There is certainly crappy american tv, as I know there is crappy Mexican tv, and french, and russian and don't even get started on japanese tv! So don't try to play the racist card with me it won't work. I also never made any reference to your value in the kitchen or anywhere else. I'm sure you are quite valuable. I have worked with many people from all over the world and good workers are very valuable no matter where you are from. I have worked with some amazing people from Poland, Laos, Guatemala, etc. your attitude, not ancestry make you a value or a liability.

As far as you only having 4 posts; once upon a time we all only had 4 posts also. I never said you couldn't speak your mind, what I said was that since you only had 4 posts you were new and obviously unaware that this particular conversation and many other similar ones have had pages of discussion, and that if you had looked around you would have seen these posts and realized that Panini was not the only one who felt passionate about some of the garbage that is on tv. But for some reason you chose to single out a member that spoke his mind and make semi rude comments. That was uncalled for, so I chose to let you know.

Now once again, I made no racial comments. I made no sterotyping of you. You chose to make these up as issues. I would love to see you hang around for many years and keep posting. I have nothing against you in any way, shape or form. But don't try and play the predjudice or racist card here because you don't like getting called out. That's all, no big deal. It's over, let's all have a beer, and if we ever get together I would gladly, in a friendly way, see who could really cook the other under a table.:smoking:

Jaun (I assume it is pronounced as John and not Juan due to the spelling),

I am quite sure that if you put the above language into English, the moderators would see that you have violated the ToS here. I suggest you not use such profanity in the future.