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post #1 of 21
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Hello, I know I've not posted this in the right spot but can't find a technical forum to ask my question..

For about a week now (me anyway) a lot of words in my posts are highlighted and if you follow the highlighted word its always linked to some advert.. I'm wondering if this is a permanent thing now..

One more reason I was wondering... I posted a recipe this morning in the recipe forum.. I then decided to copy and paste the recipe I had posted here, and send it on to one of my email friends rather than re-type the whole thing..
When I pasted the recipe into the body of the email I was sending, the highlighted words came up there also..
IF... I clicked on any of the highlighted words in the email, instead of getting an advert this time, it linked me back to the Chef Talk site???
I hope this is making some sense, and that one of you could explain why this is...
Thank you..
post #2 of 21
The forum costs money to operate. These advertisements are one way the forum makes money. Everytime you click one of those links, the forum gets some small amount of money.

The copy and paste thing is a bit bizarre. Probably an artifact of the forum software, probably the links refer back to cheftalk so that the vendor knows who to pay for the "click through". By sending the reader back to the cheftalk page where the links originated, the viewer can then click the ad and get sent to the right site and cheftalk gets paid.

You can avoid the copy and paste thing entirely by pasting into a non-html aware program. You get the links when pasting into Word but, for example, paste the text into Notepad and it will strip out the links

Phil
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post #3 of 21
Those hyperlinks are indeed new, and they are still being discussed by the moderators (some of us hate them, some like them, some are neutral). Just so you know. Phil got the rest of the stuff right. :o
"Notorious stickler" -- The New York Times, January 4, 2004
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post #4 of 21
I vote against them many times over. They are annoying and make it look at first like those words have been selected by the author to highlight, and it's very confusing. I understand that advertising is necessary to keep the site, but don;t please don;t put it in our posts. If i write something, i don;t want to find highlights leading to ads that i may not endorse.
I'd prefer to see a strip down the side of every page with ads, rather than interfere with the individual posts. If i write the word "chocolate" in a post, i don;t want to find a link to a chocolate that i hate, because that's not the chocolate i would want used in the recipe i make.
why not make a special thread where the users of the site can vote on the least intrusive way of including ads.
thanks
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post #5 of 21
I generally dislike them too. But a little education makes it clear which things are your links and which are supplied by advertising. I griped about a line of inserted ads earlier on much the same premise you make here. However, I think this form of advertising is less objectionable because you can differentiate between ads and your own links.

The advertising links are double underlined. A link you include yourself such as cheftalk has a single underline. Throw a disclaimer like that in your signature feature to clear it up for readers if you like.

You can edit your signature in the User CP link in the menu bar near the top of this page.

Some advertising is worth it for this free community. Clicking on the ads supports the site even if you close the new window immediately.

Phil
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post #6 of 21
And some stuff was left out ... the links seem to be here through a company called Kontera, and cookies are set on individual machines that report back to Kontera about our computing habits, at least on this forum.
http://www.kontera.com/

Plus, even when I've had my machine set to reject all cookies, Kontera put cookies on to the computer. IMO, this is a real invasion of privacy.

Further, some of the "links" don't even point to items related to the highlighted words, and sometimes not even to item or sites that have anything to do with cooking or food.

When the links first appeared on my screen I thought my computer was infected with a virus or some adware or spyware, and I wated quite a bit of time trying to find the "problem" and clean up my machine. What waste of time.

Frankly, I am not only unhappy with these links, but I'm also a little miffed at the forum people for telling us what's going on and what to expect.

Shel:mad:
post #7 of 21
You should read the Cheftalk privacy statement which you agreed to by using the software. http://www.cheftalk.com/content/privacy.cfm It explicitly allows advertising cookies.
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post #8 of 21
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When I copied and pasted my recipe from here and inserted it into the body of the email I was sending, The highlighted words were only underlined once not double on the email.. The words were not something I 'included' in that email to turn up as links..

Each word that was highlighted and with ONE underline brought me directly back to this site and my post in the recipe forum if I clicked on it.
I don't think I'm too comfortable with that. It seems invasive..

I'm also not quite understanding you saying use notepad instead of word?? All I was doing was inserting (copy and paste) a recipe from this site into the email I wanted to send my friend..

Isn't email just email.. Not word or notepad?

I understand the need to help with costs, but I can't say I agree that this is the way to go..
post #9 of 21
most email tools are html aware. So it brings the links over into your email.

The double underlines are a product of the forum software. When you copy from the forum to email, the forum context is lost.

I mentioned Word and Notepad as examples. I actually use neither of them.

You might look at your email program and see if it has some other paste options. Many programs have an option to paste as pure text.

I'm not excited by the ads, merely resigned to their necessity.

Phil
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post #10 of 21
Phatch,
it might be that we read this in the privacy statement, it might be that one can "learn" to distinguish real emphasis from the underlining the ads put, but the fact s that there may be ways that the users of the site prefer to see and that would be less intrusive, and that would give the same revenue. My question, which you didn't answer, was why not have a poll among the users. after all, there are plenty of cooking forums we can turn to.
"Siduri said, 'Gilgamesh, where are you roaming? You will never find the eternal life that you seek...Savour your food, make each of your days a delight, ... let music and dancing fill your house, love the child who holds you by the hand and give your wife pleasure in your embrace.'"
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post #11 of 21
Why didn't we have a poll would be a question for Nicko, the guy who pays the bills. I don't have that answer.
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post #12 of 21
There was a time email was just email. But then Microsoft invented Outlook and email became Word and HTML in addition to just email. Which made email viruses possible. Then web interfaces were crafted and became the dominant interface to the SMTP, POP3 and MAPI servers bringing HTML email to the rest of us. And the viruses too.

I disable HTML mail in my various email accounts.

Phil
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post #13 of 21
I find the links distracting because they are so boldly highlighted. It wouldn't be as much of a problem if they could be just mouseover or something like that.

Phatch, I remember Lynx. Ah, the good old days. :)
post #14 of 21
And the joys of uuencoding binaries to send via email.
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post #15 of 21
:D Saving data to leaderless cassette tape.
post #16 of 21
Did that on TRS-80s as I recall. Programing in Basic. But that was high school.

We had a punch card terminal in the high school computer lab. It was still hooked up to the University mainframe. They stopped using it my sophmore year. Programmed a bit in Fortran in college.
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post #17 of 21
I am no big fan of forum advertising, and not in love with the hyperlinks HOWEVER Nicko has gone out of his way to make this as user friendly as possible. And it's true there is no free lunch. I like ChefTalk and what everybody has contributed over the years so if having a few hyperlinks show up I think it's a fair exchange for what we get. Have a drink :beer: and live with it. Trust me it could be a lot worse! :(
My latest musical venture!
http://myspace.com/nikandtheniceguys
 
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My latest musical venture!
http://myspace.com/nikandtheniceguys
 
Also
http://www.myspace.com/popshowband "I'm at the age when food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table." Rodney Dangerfield RIP
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post #18 of 21
I think Nicko should accept donations via Paypal or some such. Two web sites that I know of do that so that they can avoid advertising. One of them is www.nikonians.org, a web site for Nikon camera buffs, and the other is www.webaperture.com, a web site for photography critique. The Nikonians have different levels of privilege depending on the donation and Webaperture does not. Both sites have been able to increase their sophistication by leaps and bounds since they started accepting donations.
post #19 of 21
Commodore 64! hee hee Punch cards! giggle Fortran! (oops... we still use that on a mainframe we still have in service) :blush:
post #20 of 21
That sounds more like a fee for access to me, meaning this site would no longer be free - one of its many attractive features.

Nicko has asked for donations in the past and while I don't who among us actually contributed, I got the impression that it was a struggle to raise the money. As long as donations are just that and not a mandatory fee, I'm guessing the site would be supported (financially) by a minority of posters. Wait, that sounds just like PBS! Imagine the horror of CT pledge breaks. Aaaaaargh

Jock
post #21 of 21
There are ads that can be packed into one space, or to open the site, or as a column on one side, outside the posts, but next to them. What I object to is

1. that they are inside the things i write

2. that no one informed us of this - i just saw these underlines in a post i made that i hadn;t intended and i find it distracting

3. that no one asked for our preferences.

I understand that you need ads to function since no one will donate money, but they could be outside of our own posts. I resent my own words being used as ads, and find it distracting in other people's posts too.

note, i wrote this all in blue and underlined, so the effect of the highlighting will be greatly diminished
"Siduri said, 'Gilgamesh, where are you roaming? You will never find the eternal life that you seek...Savour your food, make each of your days a delight, ... let music and dancing fill your house, love the child who holds you by the hand and give your wife pleasure in your embrace.'"
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