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A suggestion: Please, folks, in the future if you choose to make statements like Ed B's, let us know where you found your information and how the claims are substantiated. Otherwise what you say is just like all the other wild rants found on the Web, which no one should pay attention to, much less use.
One thing to keep in mind is that virtually 100% of the Canadian rapeseed crop has been genetically modified. Anyone who has an antipathy to frankenfoods should therefore avoid it.
I once threw away an almost full bottle of an organic insecticide because of that. The carrier was canola oil. So, there I was, organically growing heirloom veggies, and spraying a genetically modified ingredient on them.
Didn't think I could handle the dicotomy of that real well, so deep sixed the insecticide.
In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from 0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) standards.
ref: snopes.com: Canola Oil and Rape Seed
Just an anecdote, but it is possible for Canola to produce reactions in those who are sensitive to peanuts.
***It is better to ask forgiveness than beg permission.***
***It is better to ask forgiveness than beg permission.***
- Old Russian proverb
- Old Russian proverb
gander the canola oil is deadly - it's from the mustard family - and that's used to make mustard gas! garbage - capital G - mustard gas is not made from mustard.
Soy, did you say soy?
This collection of scientific research abstracts is from well-designed studies, from around the world, conducted in a manner which is consistent with generally recognized scientific procedures & principles which show that there does exist significant scientific agreement among experts from around the world, [qualified by scientific training, experience and expertise], a very strong statistically significant association of harm to human and to animal health from the consumption of soy, soy protein, and soy estrogen ingredients in our food supply and an INCREASED RISK of a variety of cancers and other major and life threatening health problems, referred to in this body of evidence as “Hidden Harm,” which includes but not limited to this list of known, “ignored” and still denied “Side-Effects” of ... endocrine disruption ... thyroid suppression ... immune system suppression ... heart disease ... liver disease ... leukemia, (IAL) ... Cancer(s) - breast, bone, uterine, liver, colon, pancreas, thyroid etc ... Arthritis ... infertility / lower sex drive ... growth problems ... subtle changes in sexually dimorphic behaviors ... Osteoporosis ... learning disabilities & Alzheimer’s / Parkinson’s Disease from Brain / Nervous System damage ... chromosome fragmentation & errors in chromosome orientation ... DNA damage ... “DEATH”. Note: Genistein in soy is also a Topoisomerase II-poison pages, 32, 44. Read testimonials on pages 15 to 20, 100, 116, 117, and 122 – 126.
reference: Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones, Soy and Others
Exceedingly...: Is Canola oil toxic?
I found that e-mail in numerous websites and much of what is given as medical fact is nothing more than poppycock IMO which is based on 20 years in healthcare.
It was interesting to note that on every site I read that e-mai, the authors name was nowhere to be found.
I use canola on a frequent basis and don't worry too much about the long term effects. I figure the beer, wine, whisky and driving around in little Triumph sports cars ( not all at the same time, mind you) will do me in long before ill effects from cooking oil.
I thought it was a really good point.
I never came across canola oil here, but i often have read recipes specifically calling for it. I can't really understand why anyone would specify an oil without a specific taste.
But anyway, as for genetically modified foods, we just don;t know what they do. While people should be judged innocent until shown to be guilty, I think the opposite should be true of new foods and medicines. What will happen if we eat it from childhood for 40 or 50 years? That's the real question. It's easy to show that something is harmful, it just has to harm someone. But to show it's harmless, you have to take it for many years, and many different people in different circumstances have to take it for many years. Otherwise we can just say it's nto been shown to be harmful YET.
When i was a kid there was an x-ray machine in kids' shoe stores and we got a kick out of putting our feet in it and looking at our bones. It was considered harmless. The damage of course was long-term and hadn't had a chance to be demonstrated yet. Meanwhile imagine how many pregnant women were exposed to too much radiation and how many deformed babies resulted, not to mention other side effects on the kids themselves.
I don't buy faddy scientistic articles one way or another, but i'm going to be careful about eating weird stuff that we know nothing about, unless it tastes so incredibly good that it would be worth a few days less of life to eat it!
And the question to always ask is "who is to gain for this product being considered harmless?"
because I don't want my corn fritters tasting like peanuts, or olives, for that matter.
you make a number of valid points - but there are "other" valid points:
consider the humble peanut. the hugest majority of the human species can consume peanuts with no problem. there is a small bit of the human species who cannot so much as be near a peanut without dying.
do we therefore pack up all things peanut and launch them into the sun to be forever and permanently obliterated?
this thread started with non-mainstream (that seems to be the accepted forum politically correct "term" for "weird") opinions about canola oil.
I posted a link to a similar non-mainstream errr, rant... about soy products. goes something like "eat soy and die"
it does not take much internet searching to find a non-mainstream kook inspired scientifically utterly absurd diatribe about (essentially any) food product.
remember Euell Gibbons? he insisted, per comic tv ridicule, we should all dine on nothing but twigs and bark . . . the man's opinion of "fiber" was gosh what should one say, ahead of his time?
"non -mainstream" is not something new
watch late night tv. how about them self stickum pads that suck all the body toxins out thru the soles of your feet.....
now-a-days, if it's "on the internet it must be true" has overtaken the country fair snake oil huckster.
be very careful about what you believe - you can chose to believe anything you want - I do not object - but one should ask a question or two....
My point is simply that we can;t know if something is harmful until it harms us. We can never know if it's safe because we can only know that SO FAR it hasn;t hurt anyone. So I'll go slowly on new products.
What i'm saying is differetn than peanuts and food allergies. While peanuts can kill certain people, some things (like radiation, like cigarettes, etc) can kill most people, if slowly.
The longer a product is around, the more we know about it, and the more i would trust it.
"we can;t know if something is harmful until it harms us." is not an especially accurate.
think of all the rabbits with bad eyesight because the cosmetic industry had to "prove" something "looks to be safe" - realize - when the rabbit died, they didn't pursue that "ingredient" and it did not make the 11 o'clock news.
there's lots of mice and rats who died to prove "it's not safe!"
there are scientific measures - perhaps imperfect - to judge whether a foodstuff is safe or not.
name me one other mammal that dies as a result of ingesting peanuts: ____________
if you reduce the entire world to the lowest common denominator, it'll be a sad place.
science and law does fail us - to wit the Delaney Act of 1938, reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in 1998:
Named for James Delaney, the New York congressman who authored it 30 years ago, the Delaney clause has been added three times to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to accomplish three parallel purposes. First, in 1958, the Delaney clause was made part of the Food Additive Amendments to the FD&C Act. It specified that no additive could be approved for use in food if it induced cancer in man or animals. Two years later, essentially the same provision was applied to color additives. And finally, in 1968, the Delaney clause was extended to cover residues of animal drugs in meat, eggs and milk.
in the days of test tubes and colorimetric responses, there was no such thing as one part in one trillion. today, that's a common place measure.
last estimate I saw was: were the law enforced to the letter, as the court insists it should be because that's the way the law is written, 95%+ of everything on the shelf would be withdrawn.
the assertion was quite simple: _everything_ has something nasty in it if you look close enough.
again from non-mainstream sources: there is no living animal or plant matter that does not contain strontium-90. jeesh, they wrote songs about that one . . .
so if the proposal is to ban all wheat because there are humans who are gluten intolerant and/or because there is one or more atoms of strontium-90 found in a acre, gonna be some tough sledding in the kitchen . . .
be careful what you wish for <g>
Like anything else in life, always question "Who profits from this?"
There's this place that sells pizza that somebody recently turned us on to. Been there since 1959.
Pizza was some of the best I'd ever eaten, but I got sick the next day after eating there. Didn't draw an association to the pizza. 2nd time I ate their pizza, I got sick again the next day. Started wondering.
3rd time, I was starting to draw a connection between getting sick and eating their pizza.
SO for several weeks haven't eaten there, and haven't been sick. Then the wife stops there and brings home a pizza Saturday night (yesterday). She's up all night long with GERD and some of the worst regurgitation I've seen. I was sick too. We both feel pretty rough today. SO I decided to read their little take-out menu very thoroughly and find out that they use only canola oil in all their products.
Ah ha! Could that be the culprit? I just as soon leave it alone as I have been doing, because regardless of how the toxic content has been lowered, rapeseed oil still goes through a lot of processing before being bottled up and sold as canola oil.
And just a heads up, if ever any physician or dentist tries to give you Clindamycin, run, run fast, don't look back. The stuff is notorious for giving you Clostridium Difficile. And believe me, from first hand experience, you don't wanna get that! And interestingly enough, a new super-strain of it is causing a huge rise in cases. It's almost reaching epidemic proportions. And just coincidentally, the new strain has been determined to have originated out of Canada!
Nevertheless, aspirin alone kills more people every year, than all cocaine and heroin deaths combined. Source: US Government.
# (2000): "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."
Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1242.
# (1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)
Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice -- Tamblyn et al. 127 (6): 429 -- Annals of Internal Medicine, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.
But that is NOT the point. The point is that we DON;T KNOW YET what the side effects of new products are. We have had aspirin around for so long that we KNOW the side effects of it, and can avoid damage because of that. If i have an ulcer, i won;t use it. We know the long term, lifetime effects over many generations. But take a new drug. It may seem great at first, but the side effects may not be clear until many years pass - and if you don;t know the side effects you can't prevent the damage, until, of course, it's not too late. Canola just hasn;t been around long enough to really know what it does, long term. It might be a miracle ingredient, or it may be a poison. Does it taste good enough to take the chance? I never tasted it so i donl;t know.
In the early 70's the newest darling of the bottled spagetti sauce was this new and economical oil they produced "out west". After many months of becoming quite ill each time I ate this brand of sauce my allergist and I discovered that the rape seed oil was the culprit.
The industry realized there was a problem and revamped it to Canola oil. While I did not pay a great deal of attention to some of the early uses of rape seed oil, I do remember they were not something you would have thought could have been modified to give us an edible product today.
Fast forward to present. Our government (Canadian Ministry of Agriculture and Food) now has a both at the grocery trade shows I attend in which they extole the virtues of the new and extremely improved Canola oil. They insist everything is just fine now. :rolleyes:
Many of our health care professionals, cookbook writers and eat healthy promoters have pushed the use of Canola oil. It is on every shelf in every grocery store in my area and it is by far the biggest seller. With so much attention to the health benefits of olive oil the "Canola industry" has very astutely blended their oil with olive oil and it also sells like hot cakes. I am going to assume that goes for the rest of Canada as well. Personally I can't stand the (??) taste or the texture of it in my mouth let alone how I feel after I have unknowingly ingested too much of it. The biggest problem is that is in darn near everything anymore.
I prefer grape seed oil, EVO oil, avocado oil or butter.
Soy, being a cousin of the peanut is often just as intollerable for anyone with a severe nut allergy and as well as sesame seeds.
Please provide links to studies supporting this conclusion. While I have have seen numerous web articles on "alternative" websites, I don't see a lot on medical websites about the dangers of soybean oil. unless you are allergic or it is hydrogenated. Nor do these websites, that I've found, reference any sceintific studies, showing the dangers of soybean oil.
What a shame, I do love edamame
Amount Per 100 grams1 cup (155 g)1 cup (155 g)
|% Daily Value*|
|Total Fat 8 g||12%|
|Saturated fat 1 g||5%|
|Polyunsaturated fat 3.3 g|
|Monounsaturated fat 2 g|
|Trans fat 0 g|
|Sodium 9.3 mg||0%|
|Potassium 675.8 mg||19%|
|Total Carbohydrate 15 g||5%|
|Dietary fiber 8 g||32%|
|Sugar 3.4 g|
|Protein 17 g||34%|