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post #31 of 57

You're right, DeBord

Being such a masterful secret agent, he surely knows that the eyes are the windows of the soul.
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post #32 of 57
...and to continue Wendy's thread, how about those family and friends who invite you to a party, and after you've said yes, they ask you to bring a cake.
post #33 of 57

Oh no!

That is such cheesy behavior, isn't it momoreg? I guess it takes all kinds...
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post #34 of 57

Marcus Arealias

Accept what comes your way woven in the fabric of your destiny ,
for what could more aptly suit your needs ....................
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post #35 of 57
Ranting: the sound made when nothing happens.

A drivers' license, a business license and a marriage licence are far more dangerous than a "license to kill". Less collateral damage!
What a relief! To find out after all these years that I'm not crazy. I'm just culinarily divergent...
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What a relief! To find out after all these years that I'm not crazy. I'm just culinarily divergent...
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post #36 of 57
ah, come on men, you are all so reflective where's the RANT?
"Bakers are born, not made. We are exacting people who delight in submitting ourselves to rules and formulas if it means achieving repeatable perfection", Rose Levy Beranbaum
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post #37 of 57
Amen, Isa.

Momoreg and I drive the same way: with determination. She was very polite while I was in her passenger seat, but I know what she was thinking on several occasions when I visited last month! If words could shatter glass, my windshield would need replacing several times each month.
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post #38 of 57
:D
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post #40 of 57
LOL, Angrychef! I had answers to 1 & 2, but I got nothing' for # 3!! Maybe if I was as eloquent as Cape Chef...
post #41 of 57
Last night we were invited in a friend of mine from University .
From the beginning of the week she is being asking me with e-mails and phone calls the recipe for my backlava...

I have sent the recipe 3 times!!!!

On Friday evening she called me "desperate" to ask my a favor...
Guess what...

Needless to say that she doesn't work and she spends her days watching TV programs...

Needless to say that I said no!
I thought that deep in her heart she thinks that a I am a B**** anyway.
So, I had a reputation to keep. .. :D
"Muabet de Turko,kama de Grego i komer de Djidio", old sefardic proverb ( Three things worth in life: the gossip of the Turk , the bed of the Greek and the food of the Jew)
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post #42 of 57
i feel for you, Nobody, i too have received harassment for years as "a cute little thing" in the kitchen. my favorite question was "can you lift that 40# box of lettuce?" which of course i could, but what did that have to do with my qualifications? or, perhaps the time i was mistaken for a 12 year old boy? until i opened my mouth. :) but such is life and i like you hope that i have made it easier for the next generation of women chefs.
post #43 of 57
Hope you're feeling better Brad....
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post #44 of 57
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Isabelle,

i am feeling much better now :)
Thanks
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post #45 of 57
I think it did !

That's why none replied...
I was certain that only Bond would reply.

Welcome "Nobody-U-Know"!
I hope you came here to stay.

:)
"Muabet de Turko,kama de Grego i komer de Djidio", old sefardic proverb ( Three things worth in life: the gossip of the Turk , the bed of the Greek and the food of the Jew)
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post #46 of 57

What is shocking?

I don't see anything shocking here.

Have I become too tolerant? :confused:
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post #47 of 57

To Nobody_U_no

I read your post with interest. I think it was well written and said everything that needed to be said to describe your situation and the hard work you have done. I'm the only person in my kitchen, so I don't have that problem. Is that what it's really like out there for female chefs?
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post #48 of 57
dear pasta chef,
nobody hit the nail on the head. working in the back of the house for the past 20 years or so i have seen a lot of abusive behavior towards females. starting from the difference in wages to the work stations. when i first started out people did not want to give me the time of day, i had one person tell me that he already had one broad in the kitchen and that filled his quota and others did not believe that i could physically do the job. it's very hard and wearing to have to go in every day and keep proving yourself over and over.
post #49 of 57
I've gotta say Thanks! Finally, finally after (what seemed like a zillion posts) I'm not the only female talking (oops Suzanne too) about female issues in the professional kitchen, finally more voices! I Hope you'll stick around.

I'm not interested in sympathy AT ALL! I'm certain neither of you are either. But it's comforting to me to hear your voices. Why? Because you begin to wonder if it's YOU, if your the problem. Let me ask you this (if you don't mind)...(more then the physical aspect of the work) have you ever noticed guys competing with you (even when it's not appropriate)?

In my case as a pastry chef I've really struggled with a couple head chefs who needed to always 'top' me. It's never made any sense to me, their the boss I just work for them. I always thought they should be proud of my work but it always seemed to backfire and alienate them from me. Does this ring any bells for either of you?
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post #50 of 57

Same here

This situation is not only for ladies chefs, if that makes you feel better.

I have just read a survey according to which 50% of women scientists are victims of abuse and not only verbal by husbands and colleagues.

Too hard for them to accept some smart women and to receive a smart reply when they need one.

The situation is way out of control in criminal courts, because in this field you can really built a reputation as a lawyer and of course to make really BIG money...

If you are a woman and you are good they start to question your femininity... You know what I mean, They start spreading rumors that you cannot be an effective lawyer and be fond of men the same time...
I am "lucky" because I am married and relatively young. Some other older and divorced colleagues have to tolerate some very nasty remarks by men collegues.
And you know... You walk in the corridors and you can hear to this nasty comments as you walk by...

It's very sad but this is how it works.

I am going to mention another "funny" but really depressing detail.

Lawyers and maybe chefs also usually have short hair, mostly because you have no time to spend in hairdressers'. When they see a lady lawyer with short hair they call her guy.
I have very long hair because this is how I like them.
I cannot tell you here how they call me .

These are the rules. It's obvious that we are still in Middle ages , it's just that we have other mediums nowdays, like Internet.

I do not let my self loose courage by this situation. I am only interested to be respected by my husband and I have decided to ignore rats. In fact I enjoy with the corner of my eye their faces everytime they lose a case...

But I respect and love men. I think that society and Life is worth living just because of men :) I enjoy the friendship of very fine gentlemen that they show me respect and they have encouraged me in several aspects of my professional and private life.

Maybe it's just a matter of character and education and breeding.
Don't forget. Apart of lawyers, chefs, housewives, workers, doctors, we are mothers that we raise sons.We have an opportunity to change thins, I just don't know why we haven't done this yet.

I don't believe that you made me rant!
But I needed that.
"Muabet de Turko,kama de Grego i komer de Djidio", old sefardic proverb ( Three things worth in life: the gossip of the Turk , the bed of the Greek and the food of the Jew)
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post #51 of 57
the competition i've endured seems to be equal - i've been backstabbed by male and female. everyone insists that they are the best, vying for the managements attention, maybe its that they are so insecure with themselves that they cannot function as a team. aaah, the disfunctional family in the kitchen ;) where would we be without them!
post #52 of 57

Out with the old.

Hey folks : Wow a lot of emotion and feelings coming off of this thread . Let me start off by saying that I am a man and and have been a professional chef for over 20 years . I almost feel guilty being a man and reading these deep feelings by my fellow culinary compadres. I started this biz in what I call the old school of working with European chefs . There kitchens were run like the military but worse . There was no fun just a fear of who the demigod of a chefs anger would be focused on next . I Quickly disassociated myself from these kind of people and found a wonderful Swiss chef to aprentice to and learned the trade I love .
As my career progressed I have worked in many large multi outlet hotels as sous chef or restaurant chef and I have seen that I am better than you cause I am a guy attitude more than I care to admit . I have always been against that behavior and have always defended the person who was right . There a lot of abusive men out there lets face it , and a lot of them find there way into our chosen field of endeavor . So be it . I am now a Food service Director with a chef working for me and my chef is female .
She is without a doubt the best employee I have ever had in all of my years as a manager . I had a problem with some long time employees who were men and thought that they were to good to work for a woman , ha how could a woman know more than them . I ended up bringing both men (one at a time ) to my office were I basically read them from the book and told them this was my decision and she was the boss of the kitchen and if they did not like it they could take a hike . One quit a week later but the other tried to stay around and make the chefs life **** , so I used progressive discipline and eventualy fired him . The end result is My chef still works for me and we tolerate no bad attitudes . We talk and walk teamwork and customer service every day . Stick to your guns and know that the old B.S. is just that , old and done for . I applaud you women and I feel you should stand up and not take it anymore . If a man feels he must compete with you in a unfriendly way than take the bull by the horns and put him in his place . I think that you will find more support than you think you have . Remember a bully is a bully and no body realy likes that behavior . Of course thats just my opinion........................:chef:
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post #53 of 57
I am a single white male. We have no politically correct advocacy groups. Paybacks are a ***** :)
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post #54 of 57

I LOVE my job!

I'm a competitive person, but not argumentative. I think I now love being the only person in my kitchen. Ihave very long hair too, Athenaeus:) I know the rules, but I keep it in a pony tail at work.
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post #55 of 57

Back to the open ranting....

Just because I work in a GROCERY STORE does not mean I am unintelligent NOR does it give you the right to yell at me because you cannot find your cookies.

You want to know why your kids act like spoiled brats? Because that's all they see YOU being! Try teaching them something like kindness and patience.

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And I am NOT the manager. It is NOT my FAULT if we run out of bread. If you are having a dinner party that is SO IMPORTANT, perhaps you should have considered ordering what you needed.

Or better yet, learn how to make a #$&#^ cake on your own.

Please, follow through on your threats, and go shop at our competitors. I would be happy for them to have to deal with you.

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Don't throw a tantrum about a #$(*#$ free cookie!!!!

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Ahhhhhhhhh.........................

I feel much better now, thanks.

:bounce: ~~Shimmer~~
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post #56 of 57

Nice reply from the grocery .

So much unapreciation for the hard working people who deal with the public . Hey shimmer you are appreciated more than you will ever be told . Without your help we would not fill our baskets and check out of your store . Some things are beyond our control , yet we must deal with them on a daily basis . I have found that keeping things on an unpersonal basis and stating the truth in most cases defuses the situation . And if the patron is still upset then that is there problem in life to deal with , not mine . I refuse to let someone else dictate the feelings of my day ! Work the best you can , feel good ABOUT YOURSELF , and remember that all we can have a difference over is the HERE and NOW.............
Of course thats just my opinion......................:bounce:
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post #57 of 57
Nice rant Shimmer!! I could hear your written words!

Common Chefboy let it OUT....? You started to rant on another thread about us whinners.....let me have it. What really drives you crazy?:D
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