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Making Goat Cheese and yogurt

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My wife finally talked me into a milk goat. She got a Mini La Mancha, and may i say this is the best goats milk I have ever had. Very sweet, very close to cows milk in that the flavor of "goat fur" does not pervade the flavor from start to finish. it starts sweet and creamy and ends with just a faint bitter note of "goat fur" that has come to characterise goat milk and cheese for me.

The original agreement was I never have to milk the thing. Now, of course, I occaisionally help her out when she has overbooked her schedule. I am getting pretty decent at it, at least more milk gets into the jar then on my pants leg or the ground or even the odd spray into my face, then used to.

anyway the reason i bring it up is that we have started making cheeses and yogurt from the milk. While we have both checked out some online sources and followed the recipe. The consistency of the cheese seems to differ for almost no reason. while we have made only a few batches it can be a little disheartening especially when your not exactly sure of the process. we have made 2 batches of a basic cream cheese style sort of like the basic Chevre, one was really nice the other seemed a bit watery and didn't have as good a texture as the first one. We have also made 3 batches of yogurt, which if I had known how easy it was to make would have opened my own dam yogurt company years ago. Kidding, but it IS very easy to make. and tastes delicious.

last week we made a Feta, this is basically the next step up in making cheeses or so I have been told. Here is my problem. it's not good and i could use any advice anyone could give me. The cheese itself is edible, just spongy and too salty. when i make my next batch i will be cutting down on the salt as it seems the whey intensifies it when you put the hung cheese back in it . my main question is how do i get a nice tight feta? you know, crumbly and moist at the same time. Also is it better to try and squeeze whey out of the cheese or to just give it time drain while it hangs in the cloth?
post #2 of 4
Gunnar,

Are you using cheese molds of any kind? I did some cheese making a few years back, mostly mozzarella and a single wheel of Colby. I ordered feta cultures and then couldn’t find goat’s milk that wasn’t ultra pasteurized (I tried to special order from the health food store and even though they said it wasn’t ULTRA pasteurized when it arrived it said clear as day on the packaging that it was), so I never got to try my hand at Feta even though I still have the molds.

To achieve a “tighter” cheese, my limited experience says to put it in a mold and apply pressure. When I made my wheel of Colby I put the curds in cheese cloth, then put the cheese cloth in the mold, placed a plate on top then a brick on top of the plate and left it there until no more liquid seeped out. (It was several years ago, but I think it was as long as 48 hours of pressure.)

When I made the mozzarella I usually ate/served it right away but I did once try storing it in the whey. 24 hours later the cheese wasn’t as dense and was a tad watery. So, I’m thinking that you want your Feta “drier” and more compact than you want the finished product to be when it first goes into the whey. You might even want to press it until it has a consistency close to that of a hard cheese, expecting it to loosen in the whey. Just guessing there.


My initial foray into the cheese making world came in the form of a gift, so I didn’t lay out any capital for the materials. Cheese molds are relatively inexpensive, but I’m sure you could improvise one on your own if you are on the crafty/handy side. The “goat cheese” ones I have kind of look like old fashioned tupper ware tumblers with small holes in the bottom and on the sides that allow the residual whey to drip out.

The “hard cheese” molds I have kind of look like the inside of a salad spinner, but made of sturdier stuff.

Hope that helps.
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We have a small (12 does) dairy goat show herd and make cheese quite often. Ours are Nubians. I'm no cheese expert by a long shot. I haven't ever ventured past chevre, queso fresco and some iffy batches of feta. We drink most of our milk fresh. I have discovered over the years though, that squeezing a hanging bag to get it to drain faster will result in a finished product that is more rubbery. Be patient in that regard. Let 'er drip. Make sure you are using actual cheesecloth or butter muslin from a cheese maker's supply and not that junk they sell in the store by the same name. It's too loose and you'll lose lots of curd. You can cut back a bit on your salt on the feta, but you'll risk having the cheese either fall apart or mold once it's in the brine if you go too far.
Mini La Mancha milk gets it's sweetness, mildness and butterfat from the Nigerian Dwarf blood that all minis contain. The Nigerian Dwarf dairy goat has the highest butterfat content of all recognized dairy breeds. Mini Mancha breeding begins with a purebred Nigerian buck and a purebred full sized La Mancha doe.
By the way, you need to know the first two rules of being owned by goats:
1. There is nothing lonlier than 1 goat.
2. There is no such thing as 1 goat. At least not for very long. :)
Your girl's milk quality will begin to deteriorate as her lactation continues. Eventually, it's protein content will decrease to the point where it will be hard to get it to take a set at all. The standard lactation period for goats is 5 months. I have two does who have been in milk for over a year, and while their milk is perfectly drinkable, it won't make cheese any more. For the optimum health of your little girl and her continued production of high quality milk, you will want to dry her off sometime in the future, give her a rest for a couple of months and then breed her to get her back into a new fresh lactation period again. (See rule number 2!)
Make sure you are giving her a bit of good quality grain as long as she is milking as well as high quality goat minerals that contain lots of copper, along with her high quality hay. Don't use "sheep and goat" supplements, they don't contain copper. Fine for sheep, not for goats.
Good luck and welcome to a world you will find it hard to leave!
(apologies in advance for the agricultural lecture!)
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raised goats as a kid on the 2 acres of river canyon we live on, they get plenty of forage along with alfalfa and the "caramel corn mash" we use as treats and supplement. lol, oh yes.. there is no such thing as one goat...our goat has her own companion goat we borrowed from a friend of my wifes. she was very skittish when we got her, coming from a larger herd she never imprinted on humans. so we tame her down a bit, she keeps our goat company. Also have my milker setup to get freshened by the same friend.

I appreciate the input, also checked out a coupla cheese forums nobody said anything about the proein content. I know this goat was giving milk a while before we got her so that may be an issue.
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