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Flaky pie crust recipe

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
I have been looking for a good flaky pie crust. I have found some recipes that only use butter. Some margarine. Even some with both. Which is the best for making a flaky crust. If anyone has a good recipe with a good flaky crust may I have a copy. Thanks

post #2 of 8
good flaky crust comes from cold, hard fat.
Lard is best but you can use a combination of shortening and butter.
(margerine has too much liquid)
Make sure your fat is good and cold, rub it into the flour to the size of corn flakes and then add your cold water.
try your recipes with the above technique and see if you don't get better results.
PS a nice old lady told me to put a tsp of white vinegar in with my cold water! she said it made it better.:lol:
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post #3 of 8

Some Pie Crusts

Lard is best for flakiness. Butter adds flavor and tenderness. Good vegetable shortening makes for forgiving handling. Good vegetable shortening is not the same easy proposition it once was. "Zero Transfat" Crisco is not nearly as good for baking as old Crisco, making for a tougher, crumbier crust

Well chilledi ingredients contribute to a flaky crust.

There are a lot of recipes for pie crust, or maybe I should write, "recipes" in quotes. Most are very slight variations on a simple set of proportions. I.e., For each cup of flour, figure: More than a third but less than a half cup (in other words, 6 or 7 tablespoons) of lard and/or butter and/or shortening; 1/2 teaspoon of salt; and no more than 2 tbs ice water.

From the simplicity of the ingredient list you see the real distinction in crusts comes from technique. Personally, I blend a little French pate brisee technique along with good ol' American and the miracle of modern refrigeration. Leaving us with:



(Two 9" pies or top and bottom for a two crust pie)

2-1/2 cups AP flour
2 tsp salt
1cup, plus 2 tbs ice cold lard; or 1 cup lard, plus 2 tbs butter.
Ice water as necessary

Mix the flour and salt in a mixing bowl. Set them, bowl and all, in the freezer to chill. Measure the lard, break it into small pieces and set it into the freezer to chill.

Remove the flour and lard from the refrigerator. Cut the lard into the flour using a pastry cutter or rub it in with your fingers. Most recipes specify that the lard should be cut in well enough so the mixture looks like corn meal -- this results in a crumbly rather than flaky crust. Instead, allow for a little inconsistency in the texture and cut in the lard just until it picks up all the loose flour.

Cover the bowl with cling wrap and return to the freezer for 10 minutes to chill.

Meanwhile prepare a glass of ice water.

Remove the flour from freezer. Add about 1-1/2 tbs of ice water. Form the fingers of one hand into a curved paddle and use them to mix the water into the flour until it forms a dry dough. Add more water if necessary, but as little as possible. You'll probably want another 1 or 2 tsps. Be careful not to overmix. If the dough leaves a little flour unincorporated, that's fine. Don't worry, final mixing will come later.

Turn the dough and any excess flour out onto a piece of cling wrap. Use the wrap to form it into a ball. Wrap it tightly, and put it into the refrigerator for ten minutes.

The extra mixing I told you about is a French technique called fraisage. While it's not typical of American pie making, it's makes a positive contribution to texture. On the other hand, you can omit it without losing too much by mixing the dough slightly more thoroughly to begin with.

If you're doing the fraisage, remove the dough from the refrigerator and cling wrap, turning it out onto a lightly floured board. Using the heel of your hand, flatten the ball into a disc. Again, using the heel of your hand (not the palm) knead it very gently, seven or eight times. If you don't knead gently, you will surely make the dough tough; if you use your palms instad of the heels of your hands, you'll warm the dough too much -- making it less flaky If you over knead, western civilization as we know it will end. Stop kneading at once if and when the dough starts to feel flexible or appears shiny.

Divide the dough into two equal pieces. Wrap each in cling wrap and press into a disk. Return to the refrigerator for at least thirty minutes.

If necessary, lightly flour your board. Turn one disk out onto it. Using a floured (and preferably chilled) pin, press an X -- not too gently -- across the entire diameter of the disk. It will help in rolling the dough into a more or less symmetrical circle of even thickness. To roll out, roll from the center of the disk (and X), turning the dough as necessary to make sure the dough doesn't stick to the board and to keep the circle even. Roll out until the circle is 10" in diameter, or very slightly more. You can measure by turning the pie pan over and checking its top against the dough As with almost every part of pastry dough making, work as gently and as quickly as you can.

With the top crust formed on the board, pick it up by gently rolling it onto your pin, starting on the edge nearest you and rolling it on away from your body . Leave some slack so the rolls drape loosely on the pin. Then, carefully lift the pin over the pie pan, and starting just behind (about 1/2") it, so you drape a bit of dough over the back of the pan, unroll the dough towards you. This should center the dough perfectly in the pan. The whole rolling, lifting and unrolling the dough will stretch the dough enough that it should leave a drape all around the edges of the pan.

While this sequence of "towards" and "away" isn't necessarily critical, it's most comfortable for nearly everyone and a good habit to develop.

Using your finger tips very gently push the dough into the seam where the bottom of the pan meets the edge -- as and if necessary.

(For a two crust pie: Fill the bottom crust, then form the top crust; carry it to the pie; and unroll it in the same way.)

Form or crimp your edges in the usual way. Be aware a lard or lard and butter crust will not allow the same crisp crimping as shortening or shortening and butter.


For an extra flaky and crisp crust, change the flour amount to 2 cups AP flour; 1 cup cake flour, less two tbs; and 2 tbs whole wheat flour. The flours play against one another in that the cake flour adds some tenderness and the wheat flour some crispness.

But what makes this variation worthwhile isn't the ingredients, it's the flakiness engendered by technique.

Instead of cutting the lard into the flour, roll it in as follows. Use a small melon baller to cut the lard and butter into small pieces -- or semi-freeze the fats and use a knife. Put the pieces with the dry ingredients in a gallon size plastic bag, and shake to make sure each piece is well coated with flour. Sometimes that means allowing the bag to sit on the counter for a few minutes first so the fats are warm enough that the flour will stick. Afterwards, if necessary return to the freezer until the fats are again semi-frozen.

Remove the bag, make sure it's completely closed, then either open one corner very slightly or pierece the top with a needle to allow air to escape. Then use your rolling pin to roll the fats into the dough. You'll see large flakes develop as you roll. Rotate the bag, and turn it over as you go to make sure the pressure is applied evenly. Shake occasionally to keep the loose flour distributed evenly. After a few minutes there won't be any more loose flour, and all of the butter and lard will have been pressed into very thin flakes. Chill again, then add water and form a dough as before.


I've been working on this one for the past few weeks, after reading a post here. It's an east coast regional -- maybe Pennsylvania Dutch, maybe New England, perhaps Acadian. In any case, it uses egg and vinegar to make a very tender, flaky crust. The trend in pie crusts is to make them slightly thicker than was traditional a couple of generations ago. This recipe is proportioned "old school," that is for a thin crust. Don't worry, it's a flexible dough and easy to work with .For 4 crusts:

1 egg
1 tbs vinegar
1/2 cup water
1-3/4 cups lard
4 cups AP flour
1 tsp baking powder
2 tsp salt

Start by beating the egg, then beating in the vinegar and water. Cover with cling wrap and refrigerate until cold.

Meanwhile, cut or spoon the lard into pieces and refrigerate until cold.

Mix the dry ingredients in the mixing bowl and refrigerate.

When all is cold, proceed as before with the basic recipe. Make sure you add only as much of the egg/water mixture as necessary. Don't dump the whole thing in because I gave you specific amounts.


Read and try the recipe for pate brisee sucree (short, sweet crust) from Mastering the Art of French Cooking. If you don't have Vol. I, the recipe is available all over the net -- search "pate + brisee + sucree + child." It not only works for tartes, but for pies and gallettes as well (if you like fruit and simple, you love gallettes). In fact, my own secret proportions vary slightly from Child's, but it's a good rule to start with Herself whenever Herself has written.


PS. The above are my original recipes and words. You may share them only on condition that you credit me, Boar D. Laze. I would consider it a kindness if you would also mention my eventually forthcoming book: COOK FOOD GOOD: American Cooking and Technique for Beginners and Intermediates.
post #4 of 8
BDL, that's a really interesting and informative dissertation on flakey pie crust. Question: what kind of lard do you use? Is it the commercially available and partially hydroginayed product you buy in the grocery store or is it "real" lard?

Flakey pie crust is finnicky at best and for years I struggled to find a recipe/method that produced consistent results. Then Cook's Illustrated created the Vodka pie crust which is my new go to recipe.

The idea is that gluten will not develop in the presence of ethanol. Now, vodka is 60% ethanol and 40% water so you can get away with adding a lot of liquid (equal parts water and vodka) to get a pliable dough with none of the adverse effects of too much water.

Another "secret" in this method is to take a portion of the flour (about 2/3) and mix it thoroughly with the fat (butter and shortening) until it is almost a paste. The fat coated grains of flour are protected from the water and will not develop gluten. The remaining flour is mixed in to form the final dough and being exposed to the water it will develop some gluten - enough to give the dough some structure.

Works every time regardless of the variable conditions which are the bane of more conventional recipes. Still, I'm interested to try BDL's method.
post #5 of 8
I've only ever used shortening in my pie crust.

Pie Pastry
500g all-purpose or pastry flour, pref the later
250g vegetable shortening
200ml ice cold water (which I sometimes substitute with apple cider for apple pie)
1 pinch of salt
2 tbsp brown sugar

Cut the shortening into the flour leaving behind a few large chunks of shortening (when the dough forms, you should see some marbling through the dough). Dissolve the salt and sugar into the water with a splash of lemon juice. Add the liquid to the flour and fat and form the dough. Don't kneed it too much, just enough to bring everything together and allow to rest covered in the fridge for 1hour.
post #6 of 8
Real lard. Usually Farmer John -- which is very high quality. Sometimes fresh rendered lard from one of several local carnecerias.

post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. I have learned a lot and am excited to try out the different variations. Thank you very much.

post #8 of 8
Thanks from me, too! I can't wait to try this as well.
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