Thanks for your input.
Thanks for your input.
I have a Viking, the oven just died after 4 years. I quickly found on the internet the common problem is the glow-plug style ignitors that slowly wear down. My first experience with a glow plug style ignitor was on my old furnace when it cracked after 2 years and my house was cold. I replaced it, watched it glow orange and marveled at what would soon be another failure. I did not believe at first it was my glow ignitors because I didn't believe they would wear down but they actually do erode from gradual oxidation (they sit in the flame, WHILE they are powered on on my stove which calls this feature "automatic reignition". I call it an excuse to draw 600 watts off the generator just to use a natural gas oven when the lights are out.
If I were buying a gas appliance, no matter the brand I would avoid glow plug ignitors. My favorite was the old electrical spark (tic-tic-tic). This would light the pilot, and you can hear it working. The pilot would heat a capillary bulb wired to the valve which would then turn on the main gas flow. This kind of system was safe (no main gas flow if no pilot) saved gas (pilot gas was turned on by electric control and electric arc), and always worked for me. And if there was no electricity, you could press and hold the button, light the pilot and cruise.
When the glow ignitors came out (8-10 years ago?) I think that is when things changed. I think that is why different people in this thread have different experiences in part. Maybe the cheapest thing is to learn to replace them yourself. Just make sure you unplug the stove. I was a little surprised they are wired to the mains (120V) and were not lower voltage like you tend to find in control circuits. Even at that, they seem very overpriced at $50 for each ignitor, but I shouldn't complain. Except for the holiday detector, which of course caused the thing to finally die the night before christmas dinner...
Last note, on my Viking (and probably many other models w/ same controls) the ignitor current goes through the gas valve; meaning as the ignitor wears, the current diminishes, which means the valve doesn't open as far which means the flame gets smaller and smaller and smaller and it takes longer and longer and longer to heat your oven, until... it doesn't heat at all...
best wishes all
If you are spending on a high end kitchen with expensive cabinets and finishes, builder grade or mid grade appliances just doesn’t cut it. If you are building a high end kitchen, you have little choice but to purchase from one of the manufacturers I researched.
I examined this to the ends of the earth and didn’t find a single manufacturer (Wolf/Subzero, Viking, DCS/Fisher & Paykel, Thermador, American, Dacor, Bosch, BlueStar, Miele or Monogram) who didn’t have a higher rate of repair problems verses other equipment in the home.
Compared to plumbing fixtures (i.e.hot water heaters and spa tubs), heating and air conditioning equipment, electrical systems/fixtures, (installation issues aside) kitchen appliances are far more prone to problems. Why is this? Commercial restaurant equipment is far more reliable, used much harder and arguably cheaper, feature for feature, than high end residential.
Wolf/Subzero has the best history but their price (add 20% +/- to Monogram) and repair costs were at the highest end and still had too many problems IMO. Viking had a terrible rate of problems and for such a great name, who would expect that???? BlueStar and American have good repair records but don’t sell many, don’t sell refrigeration and good luck finding companies to repair them.
I just spent $22,000.00 on kitchen appliances and that was the cheapest price (by 6K) from five different distributors and it didn’t include taxes. I chose Monogram for a number of reasons and 8K less than Wolf/Subzero was enough to go with less reliable equipment and budget for repairs down the road.
For anyone planning to purchase high end appliances (any kitchen appliances) prepare to deal with repairs or replacement far more often than other equipment in your home. The manufacturers overall are not putting out problem free designs and top quality.
I have been shopping for new appliances as well. Much to my surprise Viking is the worst rated on the market. My next choice is a 36" wolf range top. While looking today, I learned that Bosch bought Thermador and now make a " superior" product. It looks much easier to clean, but I have to admit, I love the red knobs on Wolf range top. Does anyone have New model Thermador?? We are alo looking for double ovens. I was considering the L series wolf, again for the look, as I don't like a real modern look. Now I am considering the Thermador. I have also priced miele and can purchase double ovens on a floor model sale for 3000, which is 1/2 the price. I'm so confused!!!! Can someone help???
I have been reading the debate about high end ranges and cooktops and am very interested in hearing what you have to say about Wolf, Thermadore and Viking. We are about to break ground on our retirement home and it has always been my hearts desire to have a "Wow Kithcen" with a great baking oven and lots of burners to cook large meals on for entertaining. I had zeroed in on a Wolf, beleiving after looking at every high end range, cooktop and oven I could find, that the 36", duel fuel range with 6 burners is my pick. I am a good cook and think that if I had the right equiptment, I might enjoy cooking and baking even more! I am thinking a wall oven might be nice also instead of the whopper, 48" double oven. We are doing a grilling porch so, no need for a grill and love my cast iron griddle that stretches across 2 burners! I have never had the oportunity to use a really great oven. I owned a Five Star in another home. Is Wolf really the way to go?