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post #31 of 40
Strictly a no for it from my side...
post #32 of 40
when i go out after work i have to drive so i need to get my car home, i end up being designated driver which is great! i have SAVED THOUSANDS of dollars this year by not being able to drink or use substances
post #33 of 40
I am very surprised there has been no mention of a book(Tis Confidential) which was quite popular with us older cooks when it came out. The frequent mention of the drug and alcohol abuse as well as work conditions brought back a lot of memories for many of us. I am one of the lucky ones to have survived this period and looking back I can say sober life rocks...............
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post #34 of 40

just would like to take a minute to reply to your post you talk so much rubbish its unreal.  I don't even believe that you are a proprieter  of a restaurant with views like that.i have worked in the industry for 11 years and there is no way way  u can sack your staff for liking a drink because the chances are the next one you employ will be worse . GTF

post #35 of 40

I've thought on this subject a lot myself over the years. I do believe the catering industry has more alcohol and drug abuse than most industries. I know the movers and shakers in the finance world are the same (if using rather more expensive products) and hospital staff are notorious for drug abuse.

 

In our case I think it's more about what kind of person is attracted to the work rather than dealing with the stresses of the job. Catering just attracts a particularly self destructive, not giving a damn about anything kind of person, I know that was me in my younger days and I'm fairly confident my current restaurant is the first one I've worked in without an active drug dealer on staff. (I say fairly confident as I'm the boss and I'm sure they wouldn't offer me anything if anyone was dealing)

 

I hope nobody takes this badly (I put myself firmly in this category) but restaurants just seem to be magnets for degenerates who get a buzz out of working insanely hard for little reward and playing with the darker aspects of life. The amount of S&M types I've worked over the years is also amazingly high; one guy who stole bicycles in his spare time for a laugh; another who nearly got sacked when he tried to give up weed, he starting falling apart in service and had to start again after 3 days; a dude who wouldn't work Saturdays because that was his heroine and hooker night; a prize fighter; an Eastern European covered in scars from knife fighting for sport, not money; a head chef who used to take the 3 best performing chefs of the night to his office for a line of coke every night half through service; a sous chef who was always so buzzed on ecstasy that he bounced up and down on the pass the entire night.. the list could go on for a long time.

post #36 of 40

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I think at some point it would. I hate the feeling of being hungover and I couldn't imagine being at work and having to focus in the fast pace of the kitchen while feeling hungup. Definitely not a good mix!

Same thing went through my mind while reading this thread. I remember being hungover at work back in my hay day, and it's not something I ever want to do again. I'm the sole cook at my job, and I need to be sharp.

 

Just recently I worked with someone who would not only come to work with a hangover but would admittedly predict when it was going to happen warning others to be ready to pick up the slack. mad.gif

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post #37 of 40

Quite frankly, I seriously doubt that if the restaurant industry has a higher degree of substance abuse than other fields that it's by much. An alcoholic is a person who has 7 or more drinks per week.   You think it's bad in restaurants? The world of corporate management practically makes alcoholism a requirement. Have you ever been to a business meeting between two entities worth combined tens of millions of dollars? They get together, they get drunk, then they often drive home drunk. If I didn't know this to be true of dozens of corporations, I'd have something different to say on the affair. What do you imagine mechanics do at work? I'll tell you. They smoke pot and drink beer since the 80's ended and they couldn't afford to do blow while drinking beer any more. If it were just one shop in my town instead of almost all of them where that happened, I'd have some thing different to say on the affair. How about cops? I'm sure they lead such strict, sober lives. Except they don't. They sell drugs to make money on the side. They get drunk, they drive drunk, and they let each other go. That wouldn't happen, would it? If I didn't know for a fact that it does, I'd have something different to say on the affair. How about judges? Surely they have some self control and respect for the law.

NOPE.

I've had judges get me drunk knowing full well I was underage. Several of them. Why? They were alcoholics and wanted some one to get drunk with. 

 

The... world... is... full... of... people... getting... trashed. You're not going to change the world so just focus on yourself. In the mean time, please remember that alcoholism kills more people annually than every other drug except for cigarettes. You should never, ever, ever feed any a chunk of words so ignorant as "all other drugs are bad for you, stick to beer" when pot is far cheaper and less likely to result in the death of a user or bystander. Instead say this: "I would never suggest that any one use any sort of perception altering substance." At least that way you're not advocating that some one contribute to numbers like these - alcohol kills 2.5 million people annually. I'd say give or take, but it's all give from there on out. Cigarettes kill a couple hundred thousand people in the US alone annually. Every single year, 150,000 people in the US die from aspirin or caffeine usage. One human being in all of history has been killed by cancer contracted after a life time spent smoking nothing but pot. And he lived in California, so it was most likely caused by poor air quality. Again - I'm not advocating that any one ever at any point use drugs. I'm just pointing out that alcohol is more destructive than every other perception altering substance known to man. If you have to pick a horse to back in this race, try to pick a less murderous one. 

post #38 of 40
In all of history???How could they have singled that guy out?
post #39 of 40

Please elaborate a little on these things.  It's very interesting.

 

*Every single year, 150,000 people in the US die from aspirin or caffeine usage.

*An alcoholic is a person who has 7 or more drinks per week.

*I've had judges get me drunk knowing full well I was underage.

*Alcohol kills 2.5 million people annually.

*One human being in all of history has been killed by cancer contracted after a life time spent smoking nothing but pot.

 

 

 

 

 

This is really interesting stuff.  Could you please give some references for these facts?  I sure didn't know it, and I would like to find out more.  Such as,

 

*I was under the impression that there were around 2.5 million TOTAL deaths from all causes in the US per year.

*Do you happen to know where to find that one person's name that was diagnosed with pot cancer?

*I'm really interested to know more about the 150,000 aspirin and caffeine deaths.  Where can I find more information confirming this?  I'm sure other aspirin users (particularly heart patients like me) or coffee, tea and soft-drink drinkers would like to know as well.  I do all this stuff.

 

By the way, if you can tell, how in the world did you wind up in the company of so many drunk judges wanting you to drink with them when you were underage.  This sounds like a real "untold story" that should be told.

post #40 of 40

https://secure.eznettools.net/D305742/X367201/science/health-issues/aspirin-rebound.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism#Long-term_misuse

 

http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/in-the-news/155-25-million-alcohol-related-deaths-worldwide-annually

 

http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm

 

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jcr.2013.1226?journalCode=jcr  (,---caffeine)

 

You'll have to forgive me for choosing not to sentence half of an entire massive metropolitan area's traffic judges to some serious consequences for being irresponsible. Apparently I recalled incorectly that an alcoholic has 7 drinks a week, it's in fact 14 by some definitions. I didn't say there are 2.5 million US alcohol related deaths, I just said 2.5 million annual alcohol related deaths. I can't seem to find the name of the one person in all of recorded human history who was killed by pot exclusively. I came by the story I think about 6 or 7 years ago. There are some claims that marijuana contributed to deaths in the form of complications and accidents, but that's all I can find. Also, caffeine and aspirin related deaths usually arise as complications. You can rest assured that while my recollections aren't perfect, I haven't fed you a single line of total garbage. Enjoy! Google ftw

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