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post #31 of 45
I have no real professional training, but Professional Chef has lots of pictures, and lots of detail. I already probably roughly knew 80% of what it had to say already, but it filled in the empty areas and organized everything in my mind's eye better than before.

It is not that hard to figure out how to reduce restaurant size portions to family size or even 2-people size.

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post #32 of 45

Wow lots of good information on classic texts!

I recently bought The Professional Chef, and love it! But I warn you, the recipes are for huge quanities!

Can anyone tell me more about Gastronique by Larousse? Saw it, was intrigued but didn't get it.

Thanks!:talk:
post #33 of 45
I definitely like that the recipes are in weights instead of volume measurements.

I have to go back to the bookstore and re-evaluate these 2 books.

When I looked at them the first time, On Cooking seemed to be more involved as far as training purposes
post #34 of 45
I was just reading that Thomas Keller (ad hoc at home) likes that book
post #35 of 45

I agree with you.

post #36 of 45

Jacques Pepin's cookbooks are all pretty good, in different ways, and he's very serious about teaching fundamentals. Complete Techniques is exceedingly difficult to use as a cookbook, however, because it's not organized around dishes. Jacques Pepin Celebrates is a very good example of his later work, in which he puts together meals and dishes while teaching the fundamental techniques that go into them.

 

A very impressive cookbook that might interest you is Alfred Portale's Gotham Bar and Grill Cookbook. The dishes are fairly high-end stuff, not heavy on spice or overloaded with garlic (your husband will be pleased!), and Portale went to a lot of trouble to make sure these things actually work in a home kitchen, which isn't the case with every chef-written cookbook. He also gives these running commentaries that discuss what he's telling you to do and why, how you can adapt this or that technique to other purposes, how you can manipulate a dish, and so on. It's a wonderful book. Certain recipes in there are bound to become part of your standard repertoire.

 

Peterson's Essentials is a good book, in many respects a sort of rewrite of Pepin's Complete Techniques, with color pictures.

 

The trick to using any of Julia Child's wonderful cookbooks -- both volumes of Mastering the Art, plus From Julia Child's Kitchen and The Art of Cooking (I'm less enamored of her menu cookbooks and such) -- is that you really do need to read through and get the hang of the whole "master recipe" / "variations" thing. If you do this, and try it a bit, you will suddenly find that a number of these recipes stop being something you need to look up any more: you just know how to do it. And then the variations become obvious. And then, pretty soon, you are really cooking, not following recipes.

 

Larousse Gastronomique is a fascinating read, but it's not really very useful in the context you have in mind. It's an encyclopedia with recipes, at base, primarily useful when you're wondering "gee, how do I use this? how do I make that sauce? what does this term mean?"

 

I am vehemently opposed to textbooks in almost all contexts, including (especially) teaching, and what I've seen of The Professional Chef doesn't make me alter my opinion.

post #37 of 45

Thank you for your help. I was actually looking at Complete Techniques the other day in the store. I compared my banana bread recipe to theirs and it is very similar. That makes me feel I have been doing it right.

 

Thanks for considering my husband's aversion to garlic.  It makes it a little hard to select recipes for him.  I love garlic but I don't mind giving it up if it makes him more comfortable.  He also can't eat any citrus flavorings. I was very disappointed after I made the corn recipe in Ad Hoc because the lime was over-powering to him.

 

I have to remember to give him very small doses of flavor and maybe, someday, his tolerance will increase

post #38 of 45

I love garlic but I don't mind giving it up if it makes him more comfortable.

 

Then just leave it out, MissyJean! There are very few dishes that will actually suffer by leaving out an ingredient, or changing the amount, or adding something not specified.

 

The same dish with and without garlic might taste differently. But that's not the same as one being right and the other wrong.

 

This is the one lesson you must learn to be a good cook: Recipes are, at best, merely guidelines. They are not written in stone. Don't like a particular ingredient? Leave it out. Think the recipe would be improved with the addition of X? Pour some in.

 

This applies to all parts of the recipe. Even the main protein can be changed, if it suits your mood and taste. So what if the recipe calls for pork and all you have on hand is chicken. If the other ingredients seem to be a match for chicken, give it a try.

 

If you slavishly follow recipes it means two things; that you know how to read and know how to measure things. But when you adapt, and modify, and make the recipe your own, then you are a cook.

They have taken the oath of the brother in blood, in leavened bread and salt. Rudyard Kipling
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They have taken the oath of the brother in blood, in leavened bread and salt. Rudyard Kipling
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post #39 of 45

I have every issue of Professional Chef ever in print, and I find it fascinating how the explanations of recipes and food tech have evolved through the years.

post #40 of 45

I have 2 of Wayne Gisslen's books: Professional Cooking and Professional Baking. I also have the CIA's The Professional Chef. I like them all. I still want to see the CIA's book on baking and pastry. I think from a cooking point of view (rather than the usual baking) if I could just get one book it would be The Professional Chef.

post #41 of 45

We use professional chef as the text at school, I highly recommend it.

post #42 of 45

Hi Guys

I own both of these books On Cooking and The Professional Chef and for somebody starting out in cookery or wanting to learn at home they are both great books.

I have been a professional chef in Australia, Europe and South east asia for 20 years.

There is a book that is common in English, Australian and French Culinary Institutes which is often overlooked by Americans it is called:

 

Practical Professional Cookery is recognised throughout the English-speaking world as the established source of recipes for both students and professionals. Practical Professional Cookery covers the full range of work from the most basic dishes to those requiring advanced techniques. Each recipe is presented in a stepped, easy-to-follow format. 

 

Number Of Pages: 928
Format: Paperback 
Language: English 
Dimensions (cm): 23.4 x 15.7  x 5.2 
Weight (kg): 1.328 
Audience: Tertiary; University or College 

 

Cheers Chezone

post #43 of 45

Hi there.  I've actually studied from both of those books--and currently still own both.  I'm assuming the On Cooking book you are talking about is the one by Sarah Labensky and Alan Hause.  I think the Professional Chef is definitely a great book, but as Phatch indicated, it's a book that comes with less explanation is better for a classroom setting with a Chef-instructor providing the missing pieces or some other form of additional instruction.  But as a student, I loved the book.  On Cooking, on the other hand, is an excellent book for the home cook because it EXPLAINS things really well.  There are loads of great recipes which incorporate all of the material of the particular chapter they're in.  I would say that for non-students, On Cooking wins, hands down.  

post #44 of 45

Hi.  I also have Larousse Gastronomique.  It's basically an encyclopedia-cookbook that contains over 8,500 recipes and offers incredible, detailed information on all culinary matters, as well as numerous relevant historical references, including lots of wonderful techniques.  This book is seminal and is basically understood the world over to be THE culinary authority.  The book is actually written by Prosper Montagne and was originally published in France by the Librairie Larousse in 1938, from which the compendium gets it's name.  I have the first, 1961 English publication of this book with an introduction by Escoffier himself with PH Gilbert.  It's pretty awesome and every single fine restaurant in the world has a copy of this time tested and invaluable book.  It is most definitely worth getting a copy, to say the absolute least.  All great chefs should and do have this book.  Ok, hope that was helpful :)      

post #45 of 45
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If you can find it in the archives of The Daily Gullet on eGullet, there's a review I wrote of Professional Chef as a tool for a home cook. The short version is: it's not good. In fact, as much as I love On Cooking, I don't think that any book written to be a classroom textbook is good for a home cook. Why not? Because textbooks are meant for someone to teach from, not just for a student to learn from. You need to be able to ask questions about what you read. (Yeah, well, ChefTalk is here, but still . . . lol.gif).


For home cooks, I much prefer Pépin's Complete Techniques and Peterson's Essentials of Cooking. They are written with the home cook in mind and can stand alone. I especially like them for all the pictures.


And for someone just learning, or even for someone who knows basics but wants to understand things better, I love The New Cook. It's one that I give to friends and relatives who say they want to learn to cook. Very well done, and again, with lots of pictures so that you know how things should look.

I've been a long time "visitor" of this great web site but avoided to comment anything, this because of professional reasons (and also having a busy life, cooking, traveling, tv, etc.). But I HAD to comment on this topic. There's always a first, right? Lol

The good thing about the Internet is that we can share info and knowledge more and better than ever. We also get to discover that some "home cook" can have excellent ideas and could even cook better than some so called Professional Chefs. That's why the top chefs of this world are traveling as much as possible to discover new favors and new techniques. Is it done by visiting other great chefs? Not always.. You get to discover great stuff by visiting some small villages trust me. You'd be amazed by what you can discover by going off road. Like the "Floup Floup" a very small restaurant by the side where the kitchen is separated from the tale by just a white wall. If you go to Martinique, go at the far end of the island and eat there!

The bad thing... Is that we get to read some comments that can leave us puzzled. We all know that, right? smile.gif

Now let's bring back to main focus the reason of this topic. Bidul here wanted to know about a specific book because he would love to improve his/her cooking skills. That's noble, we all want that, even if you're a pro chef! Now there's the reply from Suzanne. This is what she said "...it's not good. In fact, as much as I love On Cooking, I don't think that any book written to be a classroom textbook is good for a home cook. Why not? Because textbooks are meant for someone to teach from, not just for a student to learn from. You need to be able to ask questions about what you read. (Yeah, well, ChefTalk is here, but still . . . lol.gif)."

Hummmm what Bidul wanted? To learn... What is Professional Chef about? Teaching. Now this thing about being able to ask questions and get an answer. Which book in this world can do that? NONE. A book is a book and not a teacher. There are lots of great books out there and it all depends on what you're looking for, or comfortable with depending on your skills level. But the Professional Chef is an excellent book to teach people and help them to improve their skills. It also have been named one of the top five culinary books of this decade by Food Arts Magazine. So does it deserve the "not good"? I don't think so.

Btw, since this original post, The Professional Cook as been released in digital version. Not bad, not bad at all....

Bottom, line is.. There are lots of great culinary books and you can also learn a lot from very good websites like this one. And yes, the Professional Cook is a great start or great to improve your skills if you're already a serious cook.

One last thing. Geoffrey Drummond has a YouTube series called "Avec Eric". Watch them, it's interesting and make sure to browse for other videos on YouTube. Some videos are amazing, some others will make you feel the greatest cook of all time compare to what you're watching LOL.

Most importantly, enjoy cooking, enjoy learning and have fun eating. Cooking is a lifetime learning process and I whish that I'd had five or ten lifes to learn more and more and to keep sharing with others.

Now I'm out to go at McDonald's... Lol joke! I can't even remember the last time I went there smile.gif
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