Let me get a bit more ambitious ask whether anyone knows what is "follow up method" of banquet service and "avalanche service n banquets?
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What is the wave method of service in banquets
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I have never come across these two terms myself ...I am also hazarding a guess in my experiance in banquet
Wave ......French Service
Avalanche......Plated
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What i will do if you guys don't mind is post the text i found regrding these types of sit down banquet service and then perhaps you can tell me whether you know them by other names. for example roll up service sounds like follow up to me and wae i think means the same - just different trms in the trade and in some texts. is this ok?
Just give me a day to get the stuff from the net and a text book from my libray
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PeteMcCracken I am particularly impressed by your 'guess' and the links you provided for me. Thanks for your time What you said did roughly tally with he information you linked me to. However some things are not quite clear to me. Can you help? Here was your answer
Wave = Entire room is a single station, service moves across the room like a wave, generally starting with head table, servers not connected with specific tables. Server(s) probably have specific duties, i.e. serve, remove, beverage, etc.
I would further ask
(i) Do you/they mean individual waiters (shuttling back and forth between the hot plate and tables to serve them or would a system of food runners and servers be followed in order to run the entire venu as a single station (which 'wave' purports to be)
(ii) Since the individual waiters or teams would be expected to cover a maximum number of covers say 18 pax (in case of individual waiters would they run in and out 6 times carying 3 pates eachtime or say 40 in case of a team wih food runner and servers) in a large baquet function say 150 pax there would be serveral waiters or teams servcing their allotted covers so is this not then the same as a station system service (except that there the stations or sections are larger?) - How then is the entire venue converted into one large station (which is what the reference in google books link also said)?
Please be patient and be with me on this one until i quite understand this thoroughly for my lecture to students!
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Wave method involved serving all guests at a table simultaneously by a team of waiters. For example, a table of 8 will see four servers walking to their table from the kitchen in a line, each server with two plates, to surround the table. The servers serve from their left hand in unison (every other guest gets served), rotate around the table one place and once again serve from their left. While that team is returning to the kitchen, another team is entering the dining room.
It is basically a way to negate the need for serving trays, carrying heavy trays and also no plate covers. Food comes right from the plating line onto the table. Also, it prevents guests from having to wait a long time before eating, since the whole table is served within seconds. Pretty impressive, actually.
I am pretty sure there is an explanation of it in Mike Roman's latest book about catering.
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I can understand what you said. What i really need to know is WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS. is this table of 8 the only table that they serve or will they serve several more in this manner by shuttling back to the hotplat to pick up another set of plated meals for the next table and so on until their entire section is covered. this seens quite like an extravagant waste of labout they only seve these two covers and no more (apart from clearing).
Further unless i know how the service proceeds (i.e. what this team does next ) i would never be able to understand (or explain to my students) why it is called WAVE
And what's Mike Roman's book and where is it available?
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To my mind, an analogy might be a football stadium; a "wave" travels around the stadium, an "avalanche" is when the whole stadium stands at the same time (National Anthem?), and "follow-up" is a random pattern of fans standing up and sitting down.
From the servers standpoint, "wave" and "avalanche" are similar in that there is no relationship between server and table, only server and function; i.e. place plates, pick up plates, serve (refill) beverage(s), run food, regardless of table location but following the overall pattern of service. Servers are "specialists" rather than "generalists".
Follow-up, on the other hand, involves server(s) being responsible for specific tables rather than specific functions and providing all the service that the tables require. Servers are "generalists" rather than "specialists".
Then again, I could be way off-based...
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When an individual waiter, say Jim has been allotted an individual station of two rounnd tables seating 8 pax each at a sit-down banquet dinner. Let us assume the service style is plated. How would Jim bring ut these 16 plate.
a) shuttle in and outr 4 times to the dispensing area carrying in four plates each time?
b) bring the out in two trips of 8 each (or one trip with all 16 - unlikely though) on a large rectabgular tray resting it near the table to be served on a tray jack
c) bring in a plate carrier holding the16 plates which he will then proceed gto place in fromt of each guest in a predetermined order.
Which of these scenarios would be most often used (or which is/are the one most practiced) WHEN WAITING STAFF ARE ALLOTTED INDIIVIDUAL STATIONS OF 16 TO 24 PERSONS AT A BANQUET?
I guess silver service (platter to plate) is quite impractical nowadays and would have a higher staff to guest ratio
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If that is "his station", then, IMHO, food runner(s) need to keep his station supplied with what he needs as well as removing used dishes so that Jim can provide "follow-up" service to his assigned tables.
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Never mind.
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Here are the explanations given in two reputed text books
FOLLOW UP SERVICE
Name of book "DINING ROOM AND BANQUET NMANAGEMENT" by ANTHONY J STRIANESE (a us book)
WAVE SERVICE ORGANISATION
Name of book: F&B Service authored by Denns Lillicrap and John Cousins (British Book)
PLEASE READ AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE THE SAME FORMS OF SERVICE ORGANISATION EXPRESSED IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR NAMES THAT YOU KNOW IT BY (SUCH AS ROLL UP SEVICE MENTIONED IN THE FIRST REPLY)
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