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Please - in class - just shut up.

Please.

Just... listen. For once. Stop taking that sound coming from Chef's mouth as a cue to find your next excuse to interject, or to stop everything Chef is doing, just so you can impart your profound sense of irony/observation.

There's simply no need for you to expound on what Chef says. Don't scratch that itch. And please don't keep talking to clarify those already muddy waters. There's no need to impress us with your depth of knowledge or mastery of the uttered talent. And please don't elaborate on those points. You've already exceeded the maximum verbosity necessary. Nay, you've progressed to SUPERceeding the maximum allowed promiscuity with transmission of thought vs. reception at that point.

Just... listen.

I'm not saying this as an educator. I'm saying this as your fellow student - desparately trying to get a good education for my money - alongside you.

In case you misunderstand me...

I love you, I got your back. That thing you do with all those generic, bottled, dry spices on the leftover fabricated chicken is miraculous... but... I did not pay all this money, and sign all those forms, and take on all this ridiculous responsibility and fuss just so I could listen to your foibles last night with your girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/whatever and how bomb that is.


 

Thank you in advance,

- The Culinuthiast


Edited by Culinuthiast - 8/22/10 at 5:15am
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....is this a cunning ambush?
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post #3 of 15
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just a good old fashioned /rant. sorry.

i have two classes this quarter with team projects where all my teams can do is use our extremely limited time together to socialize, as well as a latin cuisine class that repeatedly talks over chef to the point of idiocy.

no ambush. just ventilation.
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Haha I feel your pain my fellow culinarian. Over here it's free education if under 19 but when in the kitchen constantly there is a student interjecting the Head Chef or making some really sarky comment that really is not constructive or needed to be said. Just follow your order, get on with it and shut up!! If you don't understand say "No chef/ I don't understand chef" but I agree with you and feel your pain. To add salt to the wound, of our group of 14.. half of them don't turn up or late and some people don't even have all their correct uniform for f*cks sake!!

 

Oh well, thank goodness I am doing day release from September and will work in a job with people who give a damn about the food and doing a good service :D

 

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Please - in class - just shut up.

Please.

Just... listen. For once. Stop taking that sound coming from Chef's mouth as a cue to find your next excuse to inteject, or to stop everything Chef is doing, just so you can impart your profound sense of irony/observation.

There's simply no need for you to expound on what Chef says. Don't scratch that itch. And please don't keep talking to clarify those already muddy waters. There's no need to impress us with your depth of knowledge or mastery of the uttered talent. And please don't elaborate on those points. You've already exceeded the maximum verbosity necessary. Nay, you've progressed to SUPERceeding the maximum allowed promiscuity with transmission of thought vs. reception at that point.

Just... listen.

I'm not saying this as an educator. I'm saying this as your fellow student - desparately trying to get a good education for my money - alongside you.

In case you misunderstand me...

I love you, I got your back. That thing you do with all those generic, bottled, dry spices on the leftover fabricated chicken is miraculous... but... I did not pay all this money, and sign all those forms, and take on all this ridiculous responsibility and fuss just so I could listen to your foibles last night with your girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/whatever and how bomb that is.


 

Thank you in advance,

- The Culinuthiast

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post #5 of 15
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Found a new height of hilariousness on this subject this quarter in my Food & Beverage class (where we talk a lot about alcohol every week; spirits, wines, etc)...

 

If you're under age (or within 5 years of drinking age, or just generally don't like alcoholic drinks - and thus have zero experience with any of them), please... do not comment on every alcoholic beverage with your experience/knowledge.

 

Yes... we know wine gives you a funny headache, and that whiskey doesn't taste very good =p While your reporting on the subject is greatly appreciated, we can probably manage without your play by play of your first time with a beer.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

- Culinuthiast

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Found exactly the same thing in my classes...and that was 27 years ago. Some things never change.

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post #7 of 15

If I may interject.... from a Culinary Instructor's perspective:

 

"Please - in class - just shut up..." says it exactly the way I am thinking it. You are here to learn; I am here to help remove hurdles. I simply can not help you if you lack self-control. The students that get it wrong over and over and over, big surprise, are the ones that simply do not care to be quiet long enough to hear AND process the information. Sure, there are many ways to disseminate information, differentiated instruction is fundamental in a kitchen, however, communication begins with listening.

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Please interject Chef =) You nailed it, we can't absorb anything if we're too busy talking/doing/etc. It's literally/physically impossible. We might think we're able to "multi-task" that one but it's just simply impossible.

 

5 quarters into my scholastic endeavor, this post is becoming fun for me to pass around school cause all the heads are nodding and smiling (specially the booze one, but still)...


Edited by Culinuthiast - 9/1/10 at 1:12am
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Old wise  Chinese proverb


If you talk, you repeat what you already know. If you listen, you learn.!!

Chef EdB
Over 50 years in food service business 35 as Ex Chef. Specializing in Volume upscale Catering both on and off premise .(former Exec. Chef in the largest on premise caterer in US  with 17 Million Dollars per year annual volume). 
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post #10 of 15

i do have to agree to a point, although in any class i have ever been in the smart ass comments hinder learning far less than that one person who stops the chef and want every little detail mapped out for them... i mean really do you have to ask what exact size a "rough chop" is or what exactly is in a chutney and make them explain to you one hundred times that they are not always the same everywhere and when you get you little chef merit badge you can make yours your way

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post #11 of 15

even worse... I have a kid that talks MORE than the instructor. The chef requires us to take an art class that is basic drawing, phtograpy, and ice carving. This dipus had more to say to the instructor than the instructor had to teach... SOOOOOOOO Annnoying!!!!

post #12 of 15

My two cents... Don't talk unless you are asked a question. I remember so clearly kids (me included) in school who after 6 months of the CIA thought we were so amazing. Talking about wine like we had been drinking and tasting it for years on end. They a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and they are right. 

 

That chance you get at culinary school with the chef that is talking. Maybe he has worked for some amazing people and had some amazing experience to share with you. Those few short weeks with that instructor is all you get so make the most of that time. Talk after your done learning.

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post #13 of 15

I agree with everything stated above. As for asking questions, there is certainly inquiring to reinforce comprehension. There is also the, usually detectable, questioning to prove how much the quesitoner knows when, clearly, they know the answer. Questioning is a very valuable learning tool and should be dispensed like very expensive wine - when appreciated and with careful consideration.

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post #14 of 15

Can't really speak to cooking school, as I never went to one or any other school that practical.  But my feeling after many years of other schooling including some teaching of this, that and the other and even a little bit of cooking thrown in, is the only really bad questions are ones which go unasked.

 

There's some sort of balance obviously.  No one wants one student to monopolize the class -- especially for reasons which have little to do with education.  But if you have a question, go ahead and ask it.  If you're afraid you might be that student, go ahead and ask that too, but after class.

 

If the question requires more than a one or two sentence answer, and is not of general benefit to the class, and if the teacher's worth a darn, (s)he'll table what's best answered individually after class and deal with it later.  We all want students who have a handle on the educational process as it applies to class; but it's really more the teacher's responsibility to manage the class as a whole than the students.  It's part of teaching, and something good teachers do without much apparent effort.

 

It was/is my policy to only do a demonstration once.  For instance, if I were teaching a knife skills class and someone wanted to see what "fine julienne" should look like (again), they would be invited to stay after class and show me what their idea was -- if and only if necessary I'd correct it.  Students and apprentices seem to learn better by doing and screwing (up) than by being shown.

 

In my experience, good teachers encourage questions.  Me too.

 

Talking and screwing around are different kettles of fish then sincere questions.  Those students with something better to do than pay attention should do it.  Elsewhere.

 

2 cents,

BDL


Edited by boar_d_laze - 9/15/10 at 6:55pm
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I dunno....blame it all on money, I guess.

 

Never went to "Culinary school", but I did a 3 yr apprenticeship--4 days work, one day school. 

 

Everyone was focused on "the final" in yr 3.  Sure there were 3 days of tests on 12 different subjects, but the kicker was the practical:  Cooking for 10 people a 5 course meal in 4 hours.  Fail that and the whole 3 years are a total waste--nothing to salvage or rescue, pass or do over again.

 

No smart-azzes in class, sure at lunchtime we went over every detail about our private lives, but not in class.

 

At work?  A smartazz never lasted long at work, either he changed or got sent out.  Sometimes they got pranked to death, tossed in 8o qt steam kettles filled with sour tomato soup, shoes fillled with  glucose or gum arabic, and sometimes they just dissapeared a week later

 

Then again, no one paid 30 or 40 g's worth of tuition. Mommy or Daddy never paid a dime; you just had to know that either you passed at the end of 3 years or you had to do it all over again. 

 

Perhaps too much reality?

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