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blue star vs capital culinarian cooktop

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

recently bought a house with a viking 6 burner cooktop and a downdraft vent - which i hate due to lack of btus, very poor flame pattern and useless downdraft vent; can't wait to get that system out of here

 

will either go with blue star or the new capital; 22,000 btu for blue star vs 23,000 for capital; star burner pattern for blue star vs 3 concentric circles for capital (which on paper seems to leave a dead spot in the middle); i' have seen the blue star in use but not the capital yet

 

either seems to be a major improvement from what i have and hopefully close enough to real commercial ( i used to cook professionally) so i don't have to go with a 30,000 btu vulcan and then all the stuff (e.g. fire control system) that a full commercial unit requires

 

anybody have any direct experince with the blue star and/or capital culinarian that you can share?

 

thanks

post #2 of 11

I've loved the bageebies out of every Bluestar that I've ever cooked on. If I wasn't economically strapped, and my home kitchen was bigger, it's what I would have myself. The only glitch I've ever had is that I'm not very tall. I'm sorta kinda round. Bluestars are not small units.

post #3 of 11

I have recently become semi-obsessed with Bluestar.  There are lots of threads on the gardenweb  appliance forum. I saw a Bluestar at a store, but while they had a Capital, it wasn't the Culinarian model. 

post #4 of 11

Culi has great high heat.  

 

I was originally having a problem on "simmer" setting as the ignitors were clicking incessantly, so I double-stacked grates running a higher flame setting for achieving low heat. Now the ignitors are quiet.

 

post #5 of 11
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Culi has great high heat.  

 

I was originally having a problem on "simmer" setting as the ignitors were clicking incessantly, so I double-stacked grates running a higher flame setting for achieving low heat. Now the ignitors are quiet.

 

 

Do you have the old style burners with nothing in the center (under the igniter) vs. a metal disk? If so, I believe Capital will replace the burner assemblies for you - we had the clicking problem at low heat settings, but the new burners almost entirely fixed the problem. I can now simmer very well, even with small pans. I also invested in a copper diffuser plate, which helps further with super low-heat cooking.

 

Love the Culinarian overall, and compared to any other residential range I've used, it's amazing to cook on. The heat dispersion is very even, and for almost all applications, there's more than enough firepower. For me, having a wok grate that holds the wok so securely (and a little bit above the flame) is a big plus vs. Blue Star -- yes, you get it a little hotter by sitting it closer, but the flames will spread out more, rather than being focused on the bottom. Look at the design of commercial wok burners (with a large chamber and jet burners) to see what I mean. Still wish someone would make a range with 30k+ burners for home use -- I was drooling over Garland's commercial range with 33k BTU/hr open burners in a star pattern.

post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

update - i got the culinarian; couple of immediate issues that surfaced upon first use; grate pattern isn't optimal - you can't slide pans around (especially smaller ones) without a tipping risk as there are some 'holes' in the pattern; i have a self clean - the oven racks are the worst i have ever encountered in any stove - they're on 4 flimsy little wheels which makes the rack very wobbly and also difficult to pull out completely and relocate to another level (especially if hot) - whoever designed those never used it; last point - the oven vent behind the rear burners is raised and is too close to the burner such that you can't center a large pot on teh back burners

 

now we're trying to get the hood setup right - tip: be careful to base your hood size decisions on the internal/operative size of the hood (i.e. the part that actually tents/captures/removes fumes - not the external dimension of the hood box which may have 6 inches or so on non venting dead space; similarly consider the depth of the operative dimension of the hood - especially if in an island setting; we made this mistake and now likely will junk a wolf hood that's too small and possibly have to do a custom

post #7 of 11

I am having the same dilemma...BlueStar RNB vs. Culinarian.  Like the Bluestar burner config better, oven width better. Culi is a looker! Blue star more utilitarian. Any input on broiler performance?  Is under glass broiler better then infrared ceramic?

post #8 of 11

We are also considering a 36" CC and I noticed the 2 issues you brought up.  The racks

were not good at all.  The manual clean probably work better.  Also noticed the spacing on the

grates and wondered if it was an issue.  The other discussion was whether the burners would

go low enough for a true simmer.  We did look at BluStar and the oven racks were great.

The fit and finish were more industrial, but the range does not protude as far as the CC.

This range will be in an island and we are looking at a 42" x 27" modernaire hood with a remote fan.

Any suggestions as to why one range over another or hood choices will be appreciated

 

cobalt21

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

at low simmer, you fight the clicking - question is how low is low; as somebody above pointed out, you can double stack the grates

 

i have also put mine in an island setting which makes venting much more of a challenge; i would strongly suggest that the 42" inch hood is too small; mistake we made was using the outside dimension of the hood (42")  vs the actual operating dimension internally (~36"); same issue re depth; you want 3 + inches of active hood coverage (i.e. the portion of the hood that actually captures and exhausts fume vs the flat non operative borders of the hood frame) beyond the outer edge of you pan on the burners; we used a 42" wolf and then very quickly found out that we lost about 4-6" of active hood coverage due to the shell; now trying to get a stainless steel specialist to basically put about a 3-4 inch flange angled at about 45 degress all around the outer edge of the hood shell to better capture fumes; if this doesn't work, we take this one down and get the next size (though the depth problems would still impair the next size wolf); have had some discussions with the modernaire expert to make a custom (46" wide  and deeper) - the likely plan B; also, we initially started with a 900cf motor - too small - pulled that and put in the 1200cf motor which helped but still not there

 

self clean oven racks are a joke - whoever designed/approved them should be fired; be sure you check them out

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

one more point; the blue star burners are not fully adjustable (why not  is beyond me); that was the single point that got me to the CC; otherwise i would have gone with the blue star

post #11 of 11

Midnight,

 

I'm 99% decided on a Capital Culinarian range (60"), but my wife is an avid baker. I notice you're a professional baker. Have you done much baking with your Culinarian? How is the oven on it? I've heard complaints that the heat is uneven, cooking about 10% faster on the left side of the oven. What's your experience?

 

She'd really like to have full sheet (18 x 26) capability, and she likes the uneven ovens of the CC (small oven for most tasks, large oven for bigger tasks). She really likes electronic oven controls, which I don't think are an option with slide-in ranges, at least not the commercial-style ranges. Any comments on the controls would be awesome too. Thanks!

 

David

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