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post #1 of 39
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I am new to throwing cocktail parties, please help everyone.

I’m having 8 people over next Friday and I am serving heavy hor d’oeuvres. 

I plan to have:

  1. 5 different Italian meats  and 5 different cheeses
  2.  a cold antipasti platter of all the usual veggies
  3. a chaffing dish of mini meatballs in marinara sauce
  4. deep dish Pizza squares
  5.  rolled Stromboli, sliced
  6. Spinach and Fontina Fritatta squares
  7.  a tray of mini Cannolis with coffee

Now, my urgent question is this:

How much of the meats do I buy?

I googled and the answer was 3 ounces for each person, is that really going to cut it?

At about $30 per pound, I don’t want too much waste.

And then what about the cheeses?  How much of those should I get?

post #2 of 39

That's way too much.  3oz TOTAL per person is more like it.

post #3 of 39

As a rule of thumb for hor d'oeuvres I've heard banquet chefs figure 2.5ea/person  You can move that down if you've got a lot of options or if you're ok with running out, etc.  I'd use that as a starting spot.

post #4 of 39
Thread Starter 

I should add on …  the guests will more than likely be staying long beyond dinner time … and my husband wants to insure that we have enough food …

post #5 of 39

Let me first suggest that, even if you intend an Italian theme, that there are two many items that are samee-same. You might want to rethink your selections, and look at a broader taste variation. With 7 items you have unlimited choices. And, frankly, I think 7 choices of that nature are too many in the first place.

 

For instance, instead of the 5/meats 5/cheeses you might want to put out a seafood item, then combine fewer meats and cheese on the antipasti platter. Keep in mind, too, that unless you roll or otherwise shape the meats and cheeses so they are more hand-held friendly people will be looking for bread or crackers to support them.

 

By the same token, I don't see any need for both pizza and stromboli, particularly when you specified deep-dish, which is pretty filling on its own.

 

A lot of this depends on how much time you have to prepare things. Not only can you make it a feast for the eye as well as the mouth, you can stretch the budget. One example: Make a batch of panelle and cut in small rounds. Deep fry them. Then top each with a dollop of tomato coulis with a shrimp nested in it. Using 16-20 sized shrimp for this means you can easily get by with a heavy pound of shrimp. Have the fish guy count them, rather than just weigh them. 21 shrimp will yeild 3 each for your group.

 

BTW, that raises another issue. Instead of buying by the pound, order your deli items by the slice. For instance, let's say you want to include mortadella, and decide on two per person. Have the deli guy just make you 14 slices. And so forth.

 

Instead of the deep-dish pizza, maybe arancini would make a good substitute; it's very inexpensive, provides a different flavor profile, and is finger-friendly.

 

To anwer your basic question, however, and assuming this party is in lieu of dinner, I would figure on 2-3 of each "appetizer" per person. This would be modified both by the inherent bulk of each item, plus the size you decide to make (i.e., how big are those mini-meatballs?). Also keep in mind that not everyone will choose all the items.

 

So, using a revised menu such as I suggest, I'd be looking at something like:

 

1. Panelle rounds with tomato & shrimp: Three each.

2. Antipasti platter with three meats (4 slices each, formed into cones or rolls), 3 cheeses (four slices each, rolled or the equivilent cut in wedges), and assorted veggies.

3. Mini-meatballs in marinara: 3 each.

4. Arancini: 2 each @ tablespoon sized.

5. Stromboli: 2-3 slices each, depending on thickness.

6. Spinach & fontina squares, @ 1 1/2 inches: 2 each.

7. Mini cannolis: 2 each. 

 

Hope this helps.

post #6 of 39
Thread Starter 

heh kuan, thanks so much and you too benway; kyheirloomer i'll take your advice under consideration

post #7 of 39

I would cut the menu even more and increase the quantities. 

 7 items  8 people  You might end up with 3 trays picked quickly.

Arancini...do 36 and omitt the meatballs. You can have marinara with the rice balls

This way you won't run out throughout the night.

I do this for poker night. Hey, but what do I know???Pisanbiggrin.gif

 

post #8 of 39

I would cut the menu even more and increase the quantities. 

 

Certainly my inclination as well, Jeff. I was just trying to keep within the OPs parameters. But 7 dishes for 8 people is a bit much. Given my druthers, I'd go with three or four and up the quantities as you suggest. Given the above list, I would opt for:

 

1. Panelle rounds with tomato coulis and shrimp.

2. Arancini. If with marinara I would kick it up a bit to bring some spiciness to the rice.

3. Spinach & fontina squares.

4. Mini cannolis

 

What we have here is a selection in which each item has a distinct visual look and flavor profile, and enough variation to satisfy everyone's taste. I would make at least 32 of each, with 36 a better target number to my mind.

 

post #9 of 39
Thread Starter 

Ok so Panini, since you’ve served arancini for Pocker Night, are they finger friendly?

 (I made them one time for a family dinner and they fell apart, am I maybe doing something wrong?)

I don’t have appetizer forks …

And both you and KYheirloomer feel that only 4 platters are better, just up the quantity?   

 

post #10 of 39
Thread Starter 

... my husband is italian i'm hawaiian/portuguese/swedish/danish and a bunch of other stuff ... smiles.gif

post #11 of 39

That's correct, Kaneohe. I'd go with four platters, but more of each. And, basically, drop the really heavy stuff. If there's going to be a pause before cofee (and if this is a cocktail party there certainly should be), I'd include a fourth "entree" platter, and then the mini-cannolis with the coffee. Obviously, you don't need as many pieces per with the dessert tray.

 

Arancini should be finger-friendly. Only thing that would prevent that is if they are sitting in sauce for any length of time. So maybe you didn't prepare them correctly the first time? What I would do is stack them, pyramid style, on a platter, with any sauce in a heated dish alongside.

 

I don’t have appetizer forks …

 

That's why God gave us toothpicks.

 

Seriously, picks---both plastic and wooden---now come in a myriad of designs, including mini-forks. Even supermarkets stock more than the simple straight pick. Or check with a party store.

 

BTW, by "finger-foods" or "finger-friendly" we don't necessarily mean you have to pick up the item with your fingers.  What it means is that the item does not have to be plated, but can be eaten out-of-hand. Picks, skewers, spoons, etc., as well as fingers, are all part of that concept.

 

I also wonder about that $30/pound figure you provided. What, exactly, is that referring to? Certainly not the cold cuts. If you adapt my suggestions, not even to the shrimp---which is the most expensive item on that menu.

 

I live in an area were, if it's even available, specialty deli is expensive. Serrano ham, for instance, can run $25-28/pound. But normal stuff is way below that, with Boar's Head products averaging around $7/pound, and better brands around $9. Imported meats are typically in the $12-15/pound range.

 

On the menu I suggested, the shrimp should be the most expensive single item. Wild-caught 16-20s were recently on sale, here, and I stocked up. But normally they're in the $12-16 range this time of year. At the high end, the entire tray of panelle should cost in the mid-$30s, when all is said and done.

 

FWIW, here is the arancini recipe I use:

 

3 cups chilled mushroom risotto

36 small cubes mozzarella (about 3 oz)

1/2 cup all purpose flour

3 large eggs, beaten

1 1/2 cups fine breadcrumbs

Oil for frying.

 

With wet hands, roll the risotto into balls about 1-inch in diameter. Poke a small hole in the center of each and push in a cube of cheese, covering it with the rice and reshaping into a ball.

 

Arrange the flour, eggs, and crumbs in a 3-station line. Bread the balls and transfer to a parchment-lined baking pan.

 

Fry balls, in batches, at 350F until golden brown and drain on a rack.

 

Instead of mozzarella, other cheeses, sausage, or even pitted olives can be used for the surprise centers.

post #12 of 39

Sure a big selection, the more choice you give the worse off you are..You dont want guess to stand there and think.

       First since we do not know what kind of meats and cheese ,it is hard to tell you but I can tell you they will grab prossuitto faster then salami. I suggest 3 kinds only 2 slices of each. Cheeses same applies forget veges you already have an antipasto.

    Forget pizza (to common)  but stromboli is ok 2 med.  slices pp. Meat balls 3 pp 1 ounce balls. Antipasto grilled veges, roasted peppers,olives,gardenierra, pepperoncini. 1 tray. Spinach squares depends on size of square 2 each ave.

     Cannolis they will eat a lot especially the men 3 each woman 1 or 2 each  Have cocktail naps, small plates 6 or 7 inch . wooden long party pix(I dont like plastic ones with hot food).Have a plate or a place where they can put used pix. so it's not on your floor .

Keep in mind this is a cocktail party not a dinner and both you and guest know that. If anything buy some extra dessert if they are staying like Pignoli macaroon cookies,or mini italian pastry.

     Also a guest consumption is based on total weights of the foods. Example if they eat some of everything it should come out to about  8 to 10 ounces pp plus dessert and coffee. You do not have to have a half pound of each item per person.  Make sure you have xtra garbage bags.

    Set air conditioning xtra cold before they arrive as once there the room will warm up as everyone throws out 98 degrees plus oven and chaffing dish heat.  Good Luck have a nice party

post #13 of 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chefedb View Post

     Cannolis they will eat a lot especially the men 3 each woman 1 or 2 each  

    Set air conditioning xtra cold before they arrive as once there the room will warm up as everyone throws out 98 degrees plus oven and chaffing dish heat.  Good Luck have a nice party



LOL Chefedb  tongue.gif

My husband probably could polish off the entire tray of cannolis, his fav!!

We have a gourmet type of market some ways from our home,

but I can get everything there.  A little spendy, but really great product.

And, thank you for the thought about the AC, I would never have thought of that one!

post #14 of 39

All of my figures are based on (oer the years ) of average consumption. Good luck with your shin dig

post #15 of 39

What kind Hawaiian girl no have Da kine Pupu's, Ono Lomi Lomi Salmon, Brok Da Mout Pipikaula, Poke, just some good Grinds Sista............Hope you had fun with your party, I had to throw this at you, your getting to mainland....................ChefBillyb

 

P.S. I did my first large catering at Hanauma bay, Huli Huli Chicken buffet.........I took my family there last Dec, boy has that place changed. Walking down the road I saw the old stairs leading up to the old parking lot, it brought back a lot of good memories of eating Kings Hawaiian bread and OJ early morning on the beach.


Edited by ChefBillyB - 6/19/11 at 6:00am
post #16 of 39

Heh funny.  :)  One time I was sharing a table with some kids who had never been to the mainland.  They kept wondering when the rice was going to come.

post #17 of 39
Thread Starter 

LOL!!!
Oh my!!  [tears running down my face]

Braddahs I was going make da kine, but these folks no like!!  That's what my husband wanted me to make at first!! [ya' know I never made sushi before? Just Spam Musubi]

LOL!!

 

I said to this one lady that I make rice with just about every meal and she just laughed.  No really!!  Our rice cooker broke when we first got here, OMG!!!  Had my brother-in-law in Kahuku send me a new one!!

 

 

post #18 of 39
Thread Starter 

Ya Killin' me ChefBillyB!!

I can smell the Huli Chicken now!!

Went home last summer and gained 10 pounds!!

post #19 of 39
Thread Starter 



 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kuan View Post

Heh funny.  :)  One time I was sharing a table with some kids who had never been to the mainland.  They kept wondering when the rice was going to come.



Where was this? 

I fell very lucky, my Mom is from Cali, so we would spend a lot of summers there, but yea, plenty of kids in Hawaii never leave which ever island thy're on

post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by kaneohegirlinaz View Post

Ya Killin' me ChefBillyB!!

I can smell the Huli Chicken now!!

Went home last summer and gained 10 pounds!!


We are going back again for Christmas, I'm looking forward to it already.
 

 

post #21 of 39

gosh, I just love shadow puppets!

 

is that a poi dog?

post #22 of 39

Chef Billy I envy you eating all that POI. Spooning it out of a hollowed  pineapple. Wow. Was  there about 40 years ago I stayed at Hilton Hawian Village, Ex. Chef was Fred Adler, I enjoyed it. In December I am sailing off to Belize.

post #23 of 39
Thread Starter 

Anywhos...

I will let you all know how it goes next Friday.

post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 

Well, our party has come and gone.  It was a great success and I wanted to thank all of you who had gave me some terrific advice.  It was surprising to both my husband and me as to what foods were gone in a flash and what was barely touched.  Certainly, we had enough of everything and leftovers that will not go to waste.  Our guests felt so comfortable that they stay until 11 p.m.   We all had such a good time.  The ladies were amazed that I had made most of what was being served, as none of the cook!!  When I brought out the coffee and Cannolis one of the gals exclaimed, “Now you better not tell us you made those too!” 

Mahalo Plenty Everyone!!

 

Our First Cocktail Party

post #25 of 39

That's a really great looking spread!

It looks inviting and comfortable

Nice job, Jeff

post #26 of 39
Thread Starter 

Heh, thanks alot Jeff that's what I was going for. 

I really wanted everyone to feel as though they could just grab a plate and kick off the shoes and as we say, "Grind"!

Thanks again!!

post #27 of 39

That looks like a great layout for a cocktail party!  Congratulations on the success of your first one!

post #28 of 39

So that others here may gain from your experience , tell them what went what did not and quantities put out.

post #29 of 39
Thread Starter 

Yes ChefEd, it would be helpful to others to share what worked and what didn’t.

Working from left to right on the above photo:

  • 16 pieces of Tomato Pie or Deep dish Pizza ~ 4 X 3 inch in size / 6 pieces leftover
  • 85 pieces of Meatballs ~ approx. 1 tablespoon sized in Marinara / approx. 25 pieces leftover (that was dinner last night with pasta)
  • 64 pieces of blanched Asparagus wrapped in Prosciutto di Parma / approx. 15 pieces leftover
  • 20 pieces of Stromboli  ~ approx 4 X 3 inch sized / 4 pieces leftover (that was our midnight snack)
  • Cheese and Italian Meats Platter = 32 pieces each of Mortadella / Genoa Salami / Sweet Cappacolla / Sopprasatta/ 3 oz. each of Fontina / Sharp Provolone / Fresh Mozzarella / Parmesan ~ the only thing that was eaten was the Genoa!!
  • 12 X 7 inch Cold Antipasto Platter of Artichoke hearts / roasted peppers / marinated mushrooms / 3 different kinds of olives / peppadews

 

Lots of napkins, bamboo skewer/forks and toothpicks (plus a place to deposit them) and plates.

The bar was setup adjacent to the food; the mini Cannoli tray (20 pieces ~ only 5 were leftover) with coffee was served on the dining table.

 

As I write this, my husband and I are discussing this topic and how we might improve on our next party.  He brings up a very good point that I had not considered: one couple did not stay very long at all, it was a glass of wine, a couple nibbles and they had to go.  Then, two of the remaining gentleman really didn’t eat much at all.  They were enjoying the Hawaiian beer that I had found rather than the tasty tidbits.  Maybe that’s why they had such a good time.  HA!!

post #30 of 39
Thread Starter 

Mahalo Longcolts!!

I hope that we have many more.

My husband wants me to make a "local style" BBQ for the Fourth.

I'm not sure how these folks will like Korean short ribs and sticky rice.... oh yea, no forget the mac salad!!

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