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post #31 of 51

You're right, Chiff

I know that I have been an "enabler" to some of those guys -- and I'll try not to, any more. And maybe there's an unhealthy dose of ego in answering the "Why did you become a chef?" questions that are clearly destined for a graded essay. (As if I were sooooooooo unique.) :blush: ;)

BUT: sometimes the technical questions really piqued my curiosity so I wanted to do some research and find the answer for my own edification.

Would it be okay if we were to suggest information sources where they could look? If the general concensus is: not unless they can demonstrate they've already looked -- I'll abide by that.

In any case, my guess is that we won't hear from those kids for another few months -- until close to the end of the next school term.
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post #32 of 51
~HIYA~ Everyone!!

I think this thread has opened some intersting issues, and alot of thought has gone into the posts.

We have had the oppurtunity to express our thoughts and concerns about helping (or not) students.

Perhapes it's time to re focus ourselves back into the world of culinary arts and what it represents.

Everyone has a differnt take on there definition of helping others,and there is no clear cut rule defining this.

I say to all the proffessinals out there, to step back, re-access & get back into food.

Not that these things are not very important, because they are, but I guess i'm more interested in your challenges or what you prepared and how it was recieved by your guests

How do you see this summer developing it's trends, and how can we as "Chefs" best service the needs of our custermers and still make a buck or two:D

PEACE
Brad
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post #33 of 51
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What we are discussing here happens to be extremely pertinent. Cheating by students requesting information that will be presented as their own research should be discouraged at all costs. This is as important in culinary school as it is in med school. It's simply wrong.

As for "steering" conversation, it's best to let nature do that. This happens to be a discussion people are enjoying - and seem to concur with. Every so often this board starts to feel like a disciplinarian parent who shows up to slap the hand of a child. We're mostly adults here. This is the "Late Night Cafe" where so called "non-food" discussion is supposed to take place. We don't need shooing away from the water cooler by a hall monitor.
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post #34 of 51
Hall monitor????
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post #35 of 51
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Let me say I did not mean to offend Cape Chef. Over moderating alarms me and I have seen moderators driven to intervene on this board where it's really not necessary.

Any participant can make a decision as to whether or not to feed answers to a student - my personal opinion is that it's morally wrong and detrimental to the student. I sincerely hope some of the students who have been requesting answers read this thread and learn something from it..like the need to do their own work.
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post #36 of 51

Now this is taking it way TOO FAR!

Ok,

I could ignore the questions posted on the board or answer them if I wanted. MY CHOICE!

PMs I can delete.....no matter how annoying that was.

But when people start EMAILING ME! I think that is taking it a little TOO FAR.

Am I the only one they are doing this too? I don't even know if my email addy is required to be on ChefTalk.

Arrrgggh! This just make me so darn mad! I don't like being harrassed. If I don't answer a question here they have no right to email me at home.

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post #37 of 51
Clearly I spoke too soon. Anybody care to have a look at the Welcome board?!?!?
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post #38 of 51
Jodi,


When you are required to put in an email address on a form, you can always make one up.
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post #39 of 51
I tried that once on another message board and they checked it out. I had to register with my real one....thought that was how ChefTalk operated too.
Jodi


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post #40 of 51
Jodi,

I got lots of PM's.

You can "block" your e-mail address. Just click on User CP on top and Edit Options. Then, click on the YES option of the following question: Hide Email Address?
Clicking yes hides your email address in your public profile, so that it is not accessible by other users.
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post #41 of 51
Ok, Have hidden my email addy. I shall be email free. Ah ha ha ha ha ha..... :D Now if I can just get into the Star Wars Episode II. Darn these swollen ankles. :(
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post #42 of 51
My two cents, for whatever it's worth, as a latecomer to this topic.

1. The whole idea of Cheftalk is to help each other out questions, quandries, ideas.
2. As others have said on this topic, we ARE free to not participate in the seemingly mindless questions of students that were occurring often.

I do admit that I was getting a little annoyed at having to page down through a sea of 'what is this' and 'what is that' questions, from people who had no interest in the community other than getting their questions answered.

I proposed to Nicko some sort of 'question/answer' forum, which would separate the questions from students from the rest of the forums. That way, if any member wanted to respond to a question, there would be a separate forum for it, and the questions wouldn't be interspersed with the other forum topics. It would solve the hassle of the 'litter' on the forums, and provide a place where - maybe - we wouldn't even have the repetitive questions that seem to occur so often!

Just MHO.
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post #43 of 51
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Excellent suggestion...

Your suggestion actually helped me come up with an analogy that will clearly demonstrate what assistance I (personally) would be willing to give, vs. what annoys me...

Annoying question... :mad:

"What does brunoise mean? Thanks..I have a test on Monday."

Legitimate question... :chef:

"I've been trying to make "X" for a week now. No matter what I do, it curdles. I've tried it on high heat and I can't for the life of me get the $*#& recipe to work. What am I doing wrong?"


Second student has actually attempted to do whatever the assignment is and is stumped and looking for guidance from those who have been there. No different than asking a professor for a bit of "steering in the right direction." First student is a lazy lump who's looking for the easy way out.
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post #44 of 51
I never got any. You folks must be "popular." ;)

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post #45 of 51
Chif - Exactly!
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post #46 of 51
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First thing I think when I get a pm is that some moderator wants to nuke me .

:eek:
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post #47 of 51
I am going to share my experience only because it has to do with adults.

I am a lecturer in Criminal Law in Athens University. I do not teach because I am young but I am responsible for the "Court Simulation"

We take BIG cases, we change names and everything and we play the court as actors do in theatre, I am sure you know the procedure that it's common in every Law school on the globe.

We train students to pose the correct questions.

In my "classes" , I have seen many cases.
I have met the lazy student who wants his/her job done by someone else.
I have met the cunning one, who wants to impress the professor, takes an innocent face and PRETENDS that doesn't know the answer but he/she wants to show off her character and interest.

Of course they will never make it in real life but I do not tell them anything , I leave them to discover this "nice surprise" by themselves... Pity I won't be there to see them ridiculing themselves in the court room, because I hate those people.

I have met the really hard working that stare at you in the eyes to see how they are doing and it's obvious that they are trying!

Posing the RIGHT question is the half in every science and art.

Remember the tales about the famous inventions!

All of them begun by narrating how the scientist found the solution when he posed the RIGHT QUESTION

This is part of the learning procedure.

Those students where annoying indeed. I won't mention what I have done to help them and help the forum. I will mention that Pete( who is being threw a lot of changes in his life) spend his precious free time to trace their teacher to let him know of what his students were doing.He sent many e-mails to try to control things and REALLY help them and not just getting rid of them!

In this forum, all of us, having me first in row, we have been serious, funny and yes, ridiculous.

We have narrated stories of our personal lives ( how many times have we been married, what tattoos we have, how we met our mates)

So I think that is fair that the least we can do with the newbies is to be TOLERANT and give a hand to Mezzaluna.

Thanks for listening

Vivian
"Muabet de Turko,kama de Grego i komer de Djidio", old sefardic proverb ( Three things worth in life: the gossip of the Turk , the bed of the Greek and the food of the Jew)
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post #48 of 51
You know ~A~, I met the Queen Mother a few times when I was little (long story) and you remind me of her. Not in a negative way, so don't take it as such. She had such poise, control and tact. Miss the old gal. Sigh!

Anyway, you are right about being tolerant. Someone has to tolerate US after all. Right? :D Did Pete really do all that? :eek: What a guy! :D THANKS PETE! You're a reall sweetie. :bounce:

Jodi

Just reread you post. Finally I know your name and don't have to refer to you as a generic letter of the alphabet. Much better. Thanks Viv! :D
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post #49 of 51
Thanks Jodi :)

It's nice to know that I reminded you of Queen Mother and not of a tramp that plays the lady :)
"Muabet de Turko,kama de Grego i komer de Djidio", old sefardic proverb ( Three things worth in life: the gossip of the Turk , the bed of the Greek and the food of the Jew)
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post #50 of 51
:eek: Now wait a miniute! Shawtycat gets pm, email, AND has met the Queen Mother? I'm jealous!!!!! That's just too popular! Shawtycat, can I have your autograph? LOL
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post #51 of 51
:lol: Funny SC!

All the above is true. My little island is part of the British Commonwealth and the royal family visits every couple of years. The Queen Mother loved to tour our schools and meet the children. I met her when I was 4 or 5 and then again when I was graduating from Primary School. She was kinda like a normal grandma....though she always smelled like powder :confused: But she was a really nice lady and everyone down there is very sad that she's gone. 101 years old..we thought the old gal would live forever. :) Im not unusual. Lots of kids in the West Indies have met one or another of the royal family.


Did you know that Roberta Flack lives in Barbados? Ive met her a few times at music lessons and didn't even know she was famous until I moved to this country. The astronaut, Buzz, who went up with Neil Armstrong lives there too.

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