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Was watching the report about the recent basketball coach that was fired from the university for physical and verbal abuse towards the team members. The coach was eventually fired.

 

Now can you imagine in a busy kitchen, some Chef goes off on a hissy fit, and some cook video's it and puts it on Facebook or You Tube?. It goes viral and now our industry become scrutinized with stories of abuse, misuse, character assassinations, and all that goes with it.  

 

Sports team coaches are not the only ones now are they?  Interesting.....

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It's about time someone does it. Maybe it will help clean up the sordid practices so prevalent in this industry.

People should see how counter-productive it is.

However, it's kind of glorified by chefs like G. Ramsay

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post #3 of 13

100 in agreement with you both. This is 2013 not 1958

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It's about time someone does it. Maybe it will help clean up the sordid practices so prevalent in this industry.

People should see how counter-productive it is.

However, it's kind of glorified by chefs like G. Ramsay

It's glorified by Ramsey because that's what the American TV audience craves, drama.

The difference between the BBC and American versions of Kitchen Nightmares is eye opening.

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It's glorified by Ramsey because that's what the American TV audience craves, drama.

The difference between the BBC and American versions of Kitchen Nightmares is eye opening.

 

 

It seems to me that what they crave is not drama so much as sadistic bullying.

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It seems to me that what they crave is not drama so much as sadistic bullying.

If looking at only one show, perhaps.

But if you look at the most popular shows on TV today, they are hollow, drama filled messes.

Jersey Shore, Real Housewives of where ever, etc. etc. etc.

Drama.

No bullying.

Raising your voice, calling someone a dumb donkey, does not equate to physically assaulting or using racial and homophobic slurs, none of which Ramsey is guilty of.

Sometimes you have to go to slight extremes to get through to some people.

Telling someone the same thing repeatedly will cause me to try another tack, hoping to get through rather than lose someone.

Sometimes it works, others times not.

I'm an easy going guy, and always choose the calm approach at the start, and am liked and respected by a very high percentage of those who work for/with me.

The slackers, excuse makers and whiners may have a different opinion of me.

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Just to clarify, as I'm sure some will jump to a conclusion, nowhere in my comments did I support the actions of the basketball coaches.

I wouldn't support that behavior in a kitchen either.

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Was watching the report about the recent basketball coach that was fired from the university for physical and verbal abuse towards the team members. The coach was eventually fired.

 

It wasn't verbal abuse.

It was homophobic verbal abuse.

 

I've worked with chefs who physically assaulted staff, and called them abusive names.

I have no respect for them.

But some would say that calling my mistake stupid would also be verbal abuse, and I disagree.

If what I did was, by definition, stupid, the only issue I have is with myself.

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I think a teacher is responsible for his students, and if a student is making a stupid mistake the first thing i think is whether i was clear enough in my explanation.  Calling someone stupid is not educational, it only makes the person do worse next time.   In general, it seems that when a stupid method of teaching doesn't work the tendency is to do the stupid method of teaching even more.  If berating students doesn't get them to do better, a lot of people just berate them more, rather than ask themselves if berating students is actually a good way to teach. 

But bullying seems to have become a way of life. 

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It wasn't verbal abuse.

It was homophobic verbal abuse.

 

I've worked with chefs who physically assaulted staff, and called them abusive names.

I have no respect for them.

But some would say that calling my mistake stupid would also be verbal abuse, and I disagree.

If what I did was, by definition, stupid, the only issue I have is with myself.

Hey Jim.......Yes......there was examples of verbal abuse during his career....or so said the news when the article first came out.

The coach used homophobic vernacular to encourage motivation among the team. Probably not the best thing to do....dya think?

There is a big difference between calling some one out on a mistake, and intentionally using abusive language on them.

Those days are gone..........................................

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Ramsay was bullied all through his younger days by Marco White who is the biggest maniac of all. Some of it maybe rubbed off

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Well, it doesn;t surprise me, Ed.  The best way to make someone into a bully is to bully him.  The whole stupid mentality of hazing is an example. 

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Hey Jim.......Yes......there was examples of verbal abuse during his career....or so said the news when the article first came out.

The coach used homophobic vernacular to encourage motivation among the team. Probably not the best thing to do....dya think?

There is a big difference between calling some one out on a mistake, and intentionally using abusive language on them.

Those days are gone..........................................

Can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

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