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post #1 of 19
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So, I can't afford aerosol spray cans of oil anymore. And I don't think it's all that healthy, with whatever propellants they use. I'd like to use other oils as well, anyway.

 

I've read the reviews on oil spray bottles, but they haven't been that good. Clogging ruining the nozzle, being the worst problem and pumping them up, being a nuisance.

 

One do it yourselfer puts oil in a standard spray bottle with water for baking. But says it goes stale after sitting, and spatters if used on a hot surface.

 

I was wondering if mixing vodka with the oil would work. I would think being an alcohol it would keep it from becoming stale and it might evaporate quicker when heated and keep the oil liquid for getting it threw the nozzle.

 

Update: I found a YouTube video on this subject and the gentleman, there, recommended using grain alcohol. I don't really know anything about hard liquors, so I don't know if vodka is grain or not. I couldn't read the name on the bottle he was showing, but it looked like there was a number on it that looked like 190. If I don't get any recommendations here, I'll look and see what I can come up with at the store. Look forward to some help. Thank you


Edited by donworybhapy - 6/22/13 at 7:17pm
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Alcohol is the propellant in most aerosol oil cans. The primary problem with spray oil is that they go rancid. Alcohol will not stop this from happening. Higher air pressure accelerates this problem And the left over oil at the nozzle plasticizes and clogs them up.

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post #3 of 19

alcohol - is not a propellant....

 

 

butane and propane are propellants  - it's why We can light the grill so fast!

 

Drop match and spray!

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post #4 of 19
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Alcohol is the propellant in most aerosol oil cans. The primary problem with spray oil is that they go rancid. Alcohol will not stop this from happening. Higher air pressure accelerates this problem And the left over oil at the nozzle plasticizes and clogs them up.

I respect you but - you are way the hell off base...

 

Alcohol is not the propellant.

 

Oil does go rancid but BHA and other preservatives keep it for a long time.   Higher or Lower air pressure doesn't have an affect at all.

Dry oil does not plasticize - it might get sticky but would you season your wok with just dry oil?

 

It's the butane and propane that make grills easy to light and also propel things!

 

 

Wowsers!


Edited by MichaelGA - 6/22/13 at 11:48pm

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post #5 of 19

I think phatch was meaning that alcohol was the solvent in most aerosol oil cans. Really all that means is that there is some way of thinning the oil so that under pressure when expelled the oil becomes aerosolized. That's why they say shake it like a polaroid picture before spraying!

 

donworybhapy - the pressurized bottles can be a pain at times, but I've had one that works pretty reliably. There are garden sprayers designed for including fertilizer so the nozzle is more robust also. I do want to ask you what the purpose is here? If you are looking to "spray" oil but cannot afford the commercial varieties, could you not just baste? Or spread the oil with a spatula? Why do you need an aerosolized verision of oil?

post #6 of 19

No, I meant propellant. I've had cans that said so, though not my current one. Wikipedia backs me up.  I think they were the large Pam from Costco, but that's not what Pam is currently using.

 

I checked my local grocer and their selection did not have any alcohol propellant either. Maybe it's fallen from favor.

 

Oils go rancid through oxidation. Saturated fats resist this because their Hydro-carbon chain is saturated with oxygen already. That's what saturation refers to. In a hand pressure oil sprayer, you increase the air pressure. This increases the frequency and strength of free oxygen impacts on the oil such that you get more oxidation.  Oxidation makes these oils sticky so they gum up the nozzle.

 

Oil mist is plenty flammable even with out a propellant.

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post #7 of 19

These guys refer to pam as having alcohol propellant, but it was back in 2000. http://www.errantdreams.com/reviews/2006/07/13/salton-hot-air-popcorn-popper/

 

It's possible they moved away from alcohol as propellant so that it would be halal for muslim consumers?. http://www.muslimconsumergroup.com/question_answer.php?cat=2&panna=13 I hadn't considered that issue.

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post #8 of 19
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Hi Everyone,

Thank you for your replies.

I currently have 50% grain vodka(80 proof) and 50% canola oil in a

 

Formula 3X High Output Adjustable Chemically Resistant

32oz spray bottle by the Bottle Crew, from Wal-Mart's mop section of the store.

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I'm sure it isn't intended for food, but that doesn't bother me, if it doesn't clog.

So far it seems to spray great, just a little wet.

 

The reason I am not wanting to mop oil into the pans with a pastry brush, is that brushes

 

1) get too much oil in the pan (trying to watch my calories)

2) are too hard to clean

3) attract dirt and turn sticky cause you just can't get them clean enough.

But mostly I just want a thin coat of calories.

 

I checked out the pump up oil sprayers, but I was unimpressed by the reviews.

Most are bad, a very few where good, so I think I’ll wait for that perfect one to come out, if this works ok.

 

I’ll keep checking back here for up dates, in case someone comes up with a better idea.

And I’ll keep you up dated how this works out. Or if I change something up. Next,

I’d like to figure out how to make that bakers spray, that coats the cake pans with flour.

 

Thank you all very much

post #9 of 19
Hmm... I just use little spray bottles from the beauty supply store. They're cheap and come in a variety of sizes. You can buy them online in bulk. This is the first link I found to an example:
http://www.sallybeauty.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-SA-Site/default/mProduct-Show?pid=MARIAN19

Remember there is a difference between mist and spray: High pressure aerosol is a mist. Pumped liquid is just diffused droplets, much larger.. I have found little need for atomized mist, ymmmv.
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post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by donworybhapy View Post

 

1) get too much oil in the pan (trying to watch my calories)

2) are too hard to clean

3) attract dirt and turn sticky cause you just can't get them clean enough.

 

 

 

 

1) have you tried just using your hand?

2) brushes can go in the dishwasher

3) or after you wash it initially by hand, place it in a container of water with soap overnight and then rinse the next day.

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post #11 of 19

Go in any Dollar Store. For a buck you can't make it cheaper. Don't look for problems.

 

 

You could always try WD 40 ?????? I have known people that spray on themselves for arthritis cures

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post #12 of 19
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 Hello,

said:

"Go in any Dollar Store. For a buck you can't make it cheaper."

 

I'll check Dollar General again. (It's the only 'Dollar" store in my area.)

Haven't in a while, but I don't think they have spray in olive oil,

which is my ultimate goal.

Getting healthy, small amounts of oil in my families diet,

while getting the food out of the pans

with as little work and waste as possible. Thanks for the reminder.

 

trooper

said:

"Hmm... I just use little spray bottles from the beauty supply store. They're cheap and come in a variety of sizes. You can buy them online in bulk. This is the first link I found to an example:
http://www.sallybeauty.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-SA-Site/default/mProduct-Show?pid=MARIAN19"
 

Thanks, if this bottle doesn't work out I'll check out the beauty supply stores.

 

Koukouvagia

 said:

"1) have you tried just using your hand?

2) brushes can go in the dishwasher

3) or after you wash it initially by hand, place it in a container of water with soap overnight and then rinse the next day."

 

As far as fingers and brush go,

I've found they apply way more oil than I need, are messy and waste a lot of oil dripping it all over.

The brushes soak up too much oil, cleaning requires lots of soap and hot water (more waste).

I've used paper towels too, but they soak up and waste too much oil too, plus the cost of paper towels.

Thanks anyway

 

chefedb

said:

"Don't look for problems."

 

I know this probably seems over thought. I have to though.

I can't afford waste or calories and my physical condition is such that I need

to find easier ways to do things with less cleaning. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

If I could afford it I would just buy the Pam olive oil spray, that would be the easiest.

I think Bakers Secret is the one with the flour in it. I'd use it too if I could afford it. It works great for cakes etc.

 

Well, Thanks for more comments. I'll keep checking back. And letting you know how this all works out.

 

PS: How do you get the little grey boxes with quotes to show up? I didn't know how to do that so I just cut, pasted and used quotation marks and italics. (time consuming)

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Ah... I submitted a reply and a box flashed and said something about being "new"....but it didn't stay long enough for me to catch everything it said. Did you get it?

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post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by donworybhapy View Post

 Hello, said:
"Go in any Dollar Store. For a buck you can't make it cheaper."

I'll check Dollar General again. (It's the only 'Dollar" store in my area.)
Haven't in a while, but I don't think they have spray in olive oil,
which is my ultimate goal.
Getting healthy, small amounts of oil in my families diet,
while getting the food out of the pans
with as little work and waste as possible. Thanks for the reminder.

trooper
said:
"Hmm... I just use little spray bottles from the beauty supply store. They're cheap and come in a variety of sizes. You can buy them online in bulk. This is the first link I found to an example:
http://www.sallybeauty.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-SA-Site/default/mProduct-Show?pid=MARIAN19"

 
Thanks, if this bottle doesn't work out I'll check out the beauty supply stores.
 
Koukouvagia
 said:
"1) have you tried just using your hand?
2) brushes can go in the dishwasher
3) or after you wash it initially by hand, place it in a container of water with soap overnight and then rinse the next day."

As far as fingers and brush go,
I've found they apply way more oil than I need, are messy and waste a lot of oil dripping it all over.
The brushes soak up too much oil, cleaning requires lots of soap and hot water (more waste).
I've used paper towels too, but they soak up and waste too much oil too, plus the cost of paper towels.
Thanks anyway

chefedb
said:
"Don't look for problems."

I know this probably seems over thought. I have to though.
I can't afford waste or calories and my physical condition is such that I need
to find easier ways to do things with less cleaning. Thanks for your thoughts.

If I could afford it I would just buy the Pam olive oil spray, that would be the easiest.
I think Bakers Secret is the one with the flour in it. I'd use it too if I could afford it. It works great for cakes etc.

Well, Thanks for more comments. I'll keep checking back. And letting you know how this all works out.

PS: How do you get the little grey boxes with quotes to show up? I didn't know how to do that so I just cut, pasted and used quotation marks and italics. (time consuming)

How does using your fingers apply more than you need? Just pour a drop of oil on the pan and use your fingers to slosh it around. I really don't understand the dilemma here. Oil is too expensive, as is the aerosol spray cans, the spray cans don't work right for you, water and soap cost too much to clean your brush or hands, you're trying to save time and money and are not in a physical condition to wash your hands but you are in a condition to cook? Soaking a brush in some soapy water is a heck of a lot easier than scrubbing a burnt pan. So this is starting to not make much sense anymore as far as dilemmas go.

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Ahhh, cool, thanks! Much easier.

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How does using your fingers apply more than you need? Just pour a drop of oil on the pan and use your fingers to slosh it around. I really don't understand the dilemma here. Oil is too expensive, as is the aerosol spray cans, the spray cans don't work right for you, water and soap cost too much to clean your brush or hands, you're trying to save time and money and are not in a physical condition to wash your hands but you are in a condition to cook? Soaking a brush in some soapy water is a heck of a lot easier than scrubbing a burnt pan. So this is starting to not make much sense anymore as far as dilemmas go.

Hmmm, my original question was:

"I was wondering if mixing vodka with the oil would work.

I would think being an alcohol it would keep it from becoming stale and it might evaporate quicker

 when heated and keep the oil liquid for getting it threw the nozzle."

 

I replied and thanked all, I could. Including you.

 I have tried what you have suggested many times and I am sorry they haven't well worked for me.

So I am only looking for alternative ways, to make things work better.

I don't know why there would be something wrong with that.

 

I do a lot of food prep sitting, because of my physical situation.

Getting up and down can be very difficult.

 I do as little standing as possible.

 

Not cooking, is not an option:

 

1)  I refuse to be stopped by my limitations.

2) I have a family to feed.

3) When I can find alternative ways to do some things, I really enjoy cooking.

 

I've thought about making my own spray for years, but only recently found it more desirable.

 

So, I was making mini-muffins and ran out of spray. I tried using my fingers,

but doing so was making a chore and a mess out of something that usually is enjoyable for me.

 

While oil is great for the skin, running my fingers around endless mini muffin holes became a real task,

when I messed up my recipe and ended up with several batches I had to bake up.

 

( I like using mini-muffin pans for this particular recipe, as it is so moist that baking,

say, in a loaf pan, leaves the recipe sticky and squishy. As minis they come out perfect.)

 

I prefer mini-muffins usually anyway,

because kids will often take a bite of a large muffin, and waste the rest.

 

As far as dilemmas go, I hardly consider oiling a pan "an end of the world" sort of thing.

More of a "I gotta work around, limitations thing" and keep on going.

By the by, I do wash my hands. And frequently, between kids, doorbells, phone calls, and just plain necessity.

 

I hope this explanation helps you understand whatever seemed to be bothering you about my reply.

I thought I would try thanking everyone individually when I replied,

maybe a general thank you would have sufficed. I was just trying to be polite.

I hope I haven't misunderstood your post, I am sorry if I have.

And I'm sorry if I haven't.

Good cooking, good day :)

post #18 of 19
Try using a small bit of wax paper. That way there's less mess, hardly any waste and no hand washing. I've often kept the butter wrappings for such purpose when I need to grease a pan.

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post #19 of 19
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I like that idea. The kids smear margarine all over the wrapper sometimes, so that would work out great.

In fact if I threw a baggy in the freezer for wrappers, I could have them whenever I need them.

And the kids could do the pan oiling instead of mom. Being a bit frozen there would be less mess.

Wish I had started that years ago, when the first three were still home. (A "gee why didn't I think of that" moment.)

Thank you.

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