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post #31 of 40
"Managerial style and cuisine level are neither directly proportionally nor inversely proportionally related at all. Top tier kitchens exist that are run by screamers. Top tier kitchens exist that are run in a zen like manner. The commonality between the two diverse styles that exist is that in both styles of working environment there is still an underlying current created by a sense of urgency. How that is expressed is through managerial style."
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Agreed, being a great cook doesnt preclude you from being a jackass.
I have worked for a mix in the past and have chossen to take a calm, reasonable path with my staff at all levels. Maybe Its just me but I find I get more done thru a sincer please and thankyou then I do with barking at people, and most of my staff stick around for years.
post #32 of 40
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Agreed, being a great cook doesnt preclude you from being a jackass.
I have worked for a mix in the past and have chossen to take a calm, reasonable path with my staff at all levels. Maybe Its just me but I find I get more done thru a sincer please and thankyou then I do with barking at people, and most of my staff stick around for years.

 

I tried being a jackass, it's too much work; although some will tell you I was a natural at it. : )

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post #33 of 40
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Originally Posted by cheflayne View Post
 

 

Managerial style and cuisine level are neither directly proportionally nor inversely proportionally related at all. Top tier kitchens exist that are run by screamers. Top tier kitchens exist that are run in a zen like manner. The commonality between the two diverse styles that exist is that in both styles of working environment there is still an underlying current created by a sense of urgency. How that is expressed is through managerial style.

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My suggestion would be to seek employment in kitchens with the managerial style that best mirrors your personality. Working for a catering recruitment agency is probably not your best employment option as you are bound to encounter both styles which will inevitably lead to a scenario similar to the movie Groundhog Day.

 

I can understand and relate to the feelings of stress, anxiety, and reaching your breaking point that can lead people to the action of walking out mid shift; however I personally will never fail to complete a shift as the guests seated in the dining room did not mistreat nor do anything to me to deserve such a disregard for their dining experience and disrespect from me as a professional that takes pride in his craft.


I like this explanation, but something like this is hard to discern during an interview.

Something like this, as an applicant would be best observed during an hour or so working in the kitchen during service.

post #34 of 40

"Bullying" has never been any kind of good idea. Telling another worker to "grow a pair" or any other such garbage is stupid too.  In the past I was really fast to grab people that aggravated me and just simply punch them out. That is not a good idea either. The biggest percentage of us don't make enough $$$ from the kitchen to end up shortening our lives because of excess tension and/or stress. 

post #35 of 40
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"Bullying" has never been any kind of good idea. Telling another worker to "grow a pair" or any other such garbage is stupid too.  In the past I was really fast to grab people that aggravated me and just simply punch them out. That is not a good idea either. The biggest percentage of us don't make enough $$$ from the kitchen to end up shortening our lives because of excess tension and/or stress. 

LOL. Pretty much sums up my thoughts, feelings, and experiences.

 

The last line reminds me of the tale of the three blind men and their first encounter with an elephant, except in this case you have the agency hired help, the kitchen help, and the electronic participants.

 

The word "bullying" is bandied about so much these days it is quickly becoming the new "passion". It is almost void and bereft of meaning and all about perception.

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post #36 of 40

Gentlemen,

 

I think we need to keep things a little in context here. The O.P. didn't suffer a screamer Chef on the line, he was taunted by several employees while working in the dining room on a buffet line.  He was a "temp", a rent-a-cook, a gun for hire.

 

Who knows the reasons why a brigade would want a good pair of hands--taking off extra loads of work from them-- walk out on them.

...."This whole reality thing is really not what I expected it would be"......
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post #37 of 40

Bullying and the chef doing his job of pointing out sub-standard product and making/ requiring corrective action are two different things.  I've ridden guys hard (like really hard) because they were too busy telling me about how good they were and their food was trash..so yes, I would step-in....expo and show you how to do your job (again) all the while informing you of how to do it and why I told you to do it that way......

 

I need to put your back against the wall and see how you react.....if you crumble.....you're not right for me.  I need smart, confident, moldable guys who believe in team-work and want to learn.  I expect daily improvement in terms of teamwork, cleanliness, prepardness.......

 

IT'S NEVER PERSONAL and never abusive...that's a difference....but yes, I know I've hurt peoples feelings.....giving you a performance review mid-service during 180 covers on a Saturday night, mid-push....is not my desired M.O. but if it has to happen.....

 

Leaving midshift.....never the right move....unless it's physical abuse.  This industry is small.....you never know where you'll bump into people again and the rep of walking out midshift is not the rep to have.  I'd rather be the kid who is remembered for weathering the storm and surviving......and if it's not the right fit....move on.....be the bigger person. 

 

Ask yourself if any of it was justified.  This industry is not known for efficient, calm communicators......learn from the situation and move on.....filing reports about it....not worth the time or paper.

post #38 of 40

Sigh.....In one ear and out the other........

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post #39 of 40

Na, I hear what you're saying but I also think the context of who, what & why is never fully going to be known by us.  He asked for advice on a situation.....I wasn't there, all I can offer is advice from my times of being on both ends. 

post #40 of 40
Sometimes it is personal, abusive, and oh so pointless. Seen it all. Some people are just dicks. Refer back to the original post; at no point does he say he was abused by someone in charge of him; "chefs" in England are all the cooks.
If you want to tell me you've never seea crew rag somebody until they quit, I just plain don't believe you
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