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The 2023 Advice on Staging in Europe Patisserie Scene

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Hello Chefs - hello from Sydney, Australia! I've been working as a pastry chef (on and off due to lockdowns) for the past 2 years in patisseries and restaurants. Writing to seek your wise advice please about how to obtain a stagiaire pastry position in France, Spain or UK - I speak Spanish and is learning French intensively - I love everything patisserie so all the French vocabs makes sense fast and is fun to learn. I'm not after brands or stars, regardless of restaurant or patisserie - it's truly the level of skills, discipline, care for produce and internal human support that counts.

1) How best to go about contacting someone in Europe re staging? You might think this is a silly question. Here in Sydney, staging is not allowed - job trials beyond 2 hours must be paid, so no one I've asked personally had this experience. An example of asking would be marvelous! There is that fear of asking.

2) What skills levels might they be expecting? You might think this question is so broad! Some context. Here in Sydney, modern techniques seem not to be at the forefront of most restaurants' mind or patisseries (think 'rustic' like simple but tasty pavlova, cheesecake, tiramisu etc, often small scale with lower quality). We're a bit behind in terms of training too, and have seen this first hand in senior chefs eg they don't know how to make ganache or choux. There appears to be a general lack of interest in learning - in comparison to my home-baking business self-taught friends who exhibit more passion. I try very hard to supplement by practising the fundamental skills like crazy at home - learning from high quality books and spending most of wage on masterclasses. This is also a key reason why I want to go Europe for staging - have heard of the higher standards, volume and quality there. But unsure how to position myself.

3) What's the best time of year to go? I would love to go this European summer ie in 2 weeks! Imagine everyone would be busy and in need of a helping hand. A daredevil part of me whispers just buy a one way fight and go there...the rational part of me thinks that would be a terrible idea and it'd be rude to ask people in person.

Think at the end of the day, I want to be surrounded by people who love making and learning about patisserie, full stop. I have tried various places in Sydney and have not found this. If you have anything else you'd like to share, all welcome! It's lovely to have this special place to connect.
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'll try to answer your question and maybe someone else will help with more info.
For questions 1 and 3 I would contact the French Embassy in Sydney if there is one or the nearest embassy/consulate/ambassador/government representative. Or find a French restaurant run by French people and see what they can tell you. I know you aren't the only one wanting to work in France so they have pretty strict policies about allowing foreigners in.
2. Once you have worked out details on getting there, you should have a pretty good idea of what they expect. I think they will most likely start you with simple things to see where you are and what your attitude is like.
If you manage to pull this off and actually find yourself in France working in a patisserie, keep you eyes open. Don't worry so much about what you are doing, worry more about what you are seeing, hearing and experiencing. You can learn a lot by observation and a few well placed questions.
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there are agencies in the UK for foreigners, they pay but not a lot.
Use google.
'll try to answer your question and maybe someone else will help with more info.
For questions 1 and 3 I would contact the French Embassy in Sydney if there is one or the nearest embassy/consulate/ambassador/government representative. Or find a French restaurant run by French people and see what they can tell you. I know you aren't the only one wanting to work in France so they have pretty strict policies about allowing foreigners in.
2. Once you have worked out details on getting there, you should have a pretty good idea of what they expect. I think they will most likely start you with simple things to see where you are and what your attitude is like.
If you manage to pull this off and actually find yourself in France working in a patisserie, keep you eyes open. Don't worry so much about what you are doing, worry more about what you are seeing, hearing and experiencing. You can learn a lot by observation and a few well placed questions.
Thank you for your thoughtful responses @chefwriter - Have emailed the French consulate's culture department - will give them a call next week too. On day off will also go see a local French chef - asking people directly is something I'm not comfortable doing, working on it, and like you said, if they are from France they would likely have some ideas.

You've even answered a question that's on my mind but not yet asked - "What do I do once I get there?" To be curious and observational than worrying about what I'm doing :) Think that's a helpful mindset in many situations!
there are agencies in the UK for foreigners, they pay but not a lot.
Use google.
Ahhh ok, like placement agences that recruit for hospitality, for example. Thank you for that suggestion - googling them in UK and France.
At first the French chef may simply quote the same info you get from the consulate (i.e. visa, paperwork, etc.). If a position in the restaurant is mentioned in any way, you should seriously consider asking for it. He or she needs to know you are a good person to recommend. Seeing how you work first hand is how to be assured that you are worth recommending. Actions speak louder than words is the applicable cliche. He or she undoubtedly has personal connections to chef's back home. You may not be given the opportunity to prove yourself in their kitchen but if you are, take it. Show openness, honesty, humility, curiosity, respect for others, good work habits and of course, work hard. Then the chef may reveal more to you.
Things may work out with the consulate but personal connections trump paperwork every time.
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At first the French chef may simply quote the same info you get from the consulate (i.e. visa, paperwork, etc.). If a position in the restaurant is mentioned in any way, you should seriously consider asking for it. He or she needs to know you are a good person to recommend. Seeing how you work first hand is how to be assured that you are worth recommending. Actions speak louder than words is the applicable cliche. He or she undoubtedly has personal connections to chef's back home. You may not be given the opportunity to prove yourself in their kitchen but if you are, take it. Show openness, honesty, humility, curiosity, respect for others, good work habits and of course, work hard. Then the chef may reveal more to you.
Things may work out with the consulate but personal connections trump paperwork every time.
Well said! It's true that personal connections are key in any situation, and this is no exception. I think it's important to remember that, even if you don't get the position, you should still make an effort to create a good impression. Even if it doesn't help you in the immediate situation, it can still help build your reputation and help you out in the long run. Good luck with your journey!
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